Thoughts on Marshall JVM205C

blind1

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Hey guys,
There is a thread recently about Marshalls but I didn't want to hijack it... but it got me GAS'in for a new amp.

Can anybody share their thoughts on the Marshall JVM205C? I am interested in replacing my Marshall DSL40C with this amp.

I am in a cover band and we play a wide range of rock music - classic rock, some hair metal, some modern stuff. My main guitar is a PRS SE Cu24 with a Custom5/A2P configuration (sounds Les Paul-ish with more tonal options)...

What I dislike about my current amp: lack of EQ for both channels, cannot switch between different modes of channels, the OD2 channel is too harsh. Reverb is lacking.

My budget is roughly $1000.. so I am buying used. What are the positives and negatives about the Marshall JVM205C?
 
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I just got this amp, and have given it a few test runs. I have yet to use it with a band, so bear that in mind. I think it is a great sounding unit, but one with stronger and weaker sides.

The amp should cover the tonal options you need and more. As you probably know, it is a reduced version of the JVM4 series, which has four distinct channels, each having one to three switchable gain stages: clean, crunch, OD1 and OD2 (the difference between the OD channels is that the latter has a mid-controller that has a slightly more modern voicing, with lower frequencies being controlled). Depending of how many gain stages are in play, one uses the terms green/orange/red. In the JVM2 series, there are two channels only:

Channel 1:
Green clean
Orange crunch
Red crunch

Channel 2 is pretty much identical to the OD2 from the JVM4. I think this works well, but if you want a more traditional Marshall sound, only two or three capacitors need to be changed to make it into the OD1.

Now, all of this might fool you into thinking that what you have is really a six-channel amp. Unfortunately, the gain stages add enough volume that it is difficult to use two different gain stages from the same channel together as anything but a solo boost. There are ways to get around it, but you'll have to use extra resources to get there.

The best part about the amp is the features. It has a ton of stuff in it that is actually usable, and that you'd want to use: two effect loops – one series and one parallel – two master volumes and a great built-in reverb. It also features a programmable four-button switcher that can recall different setting simultaneously. For instance, if you want to switch from clean with reverb to overdrive without reverb but with the effect loop in that can be done. It can also be programmed to do this by MIDI without too many problems.

My largest caveat are the effect loops, as both come with serious limitations. The easily switchable loop, that you are supposed to use, is called series/parallel, but even when you supposedly run it 100% wet quite a lot of the dry signal bleeds through. This is bad for digital effects, phasers and flangers, and basically renders it unusable for a lot of the gear you are supposed to put there. That leaves the series loop proper, which was made primarily for preamp switching. This loop, however, cannot be switched on and off from the front, and has no line/instrument level switch. What is worse, it runs hotter than line-level, so even a lot of rack gear might run into trouble. (I am currently trying to get a G-System to work there) EbTech makes a Line Level Switcher that will solve the problem, but it is annoying that you have to get external gear to make an effects loop work properly in 2018.

I am not too fond of the green clean channel. To be fair, cleans were never what Marshall were known for, and I'm running it through one of the worst clean set-ups around, viz. a superstrat with only a JB in it. I have to try it with a strat-style guitar before I give a final verdict. There are some great tones to be found in the other channels, though, and I never need to go beyond 9 o'clock on the orange OD channel, so it has plenty of gain. People claim that it is noisy, but I don't think it is prohibitively so: it is more noticeable at bedroom levels than stage levels.

All things considered, it is not without its flaws, but I think it is a great-sounding amp that will give you a ton of classic-to-modern Marshall tones on tap.

EDIT: I almost forgot to mention that it, in general, is a great platform for modding. Over at the JVM forum there is a separate subforum for them (registration required to see it), so the amp can be made to do pretty much what you want. Many people end up doing quite a lot of changes to theirs.
 
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I read somewhere that you can use the JVM 4 foot switch with the JVM 2 and that allows you to switch between modes instead of just between channels.

But I much prefer the JVM clean to the DSL clean, personally. I would take a JVM over a DSL.
 
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Thanks guys. I am interested in having more footswitching capability so using the 4 channel switch may be something I do.

Instead of buying a combo, I am now considering buying a JVM205H (the 50 watt head) and finding a used 2x12 cab to go with it. I'm considering buying an Avatar 2x12 cab with vintage 30s to pair with it.

Do you guys have an opinion about this? The main reason I'm choosing a head/cab over a combo is because my current amp combo is so heavy... it's pretty unbearable to lug back and forth and at the end of the night it seems to be superglued to the earth. If I get the head/cab, then I can just take my amp head to rehearsals and plug into the studio's cab, and for gigs, I will take my 2x12 cab. So, altogether, it seems like less hassle than moving a combo.
 
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You can switch between both modes and channels with the JVM2 switch without any problems. The JVM4 switch will work, though, if you decide you need the two extra buttons. Short of using a MIDI board (which is also possible) this is probably the best solution I've seen for what is normally called a "channel switcher"; this is much more.
 
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I want at least three channels out of my amp, will the JVM2 switch do it? I would like 1) clean/crunch (roll the volume down for cleans), 2) dirty rhythm, 3) silky sustain leads ... those are my basic needs for my band. Having a separate clean and slight crunch would be nice (so four total options?).
 
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That should be totally doable, and should not entail any major problems when it comes to volume balancing, for one simple reason: the clean/crunch and the OD channel have a pre-amp volume knob. For the clean/crunch channel, however, it is only used for the orange and red channels, that is, the crunch channels: the green channel, which is the clean proper, only uses the master volume. To get the volume for the other channels right, get the volume for the green clean right using the master volume, then use the pre-amp volume for the other settings to get the volume right. You also have two master volumes. The stock footswitch has four programmable knobs, so it should be able to do everything necessary.

Just to have said it, this is very much a Marshall, and it doesn't clean up like a Fender does. I know that it can do a clean/crunch sound by using the volume knob, but it isn't going to be its strongest side. The other ones should be piece of cake, though.
 
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Thanks guys. I am interested in having more footswitching capability so using the 4 channel switch may be something I do.

Instead of buying a combo, I am now considering buying a JVM205H (the 50 watt head) and finding a used 2x12 cab to go with it. I'm considering buying an Avatar 2x12 cab with vintage 30s to pair with it.

Do you guys have an opinion about this? The main reason I'm choosing a head/cab over a combo is because my current amp combo is so heavy... it's pretty unbearable to lug back and forth and at the end of the night it seems to be superglued to the earth. If I get the head/cab, then I can just take my amp head to rehearsals and plug into the studio's cab, and for gigs, I will take my 2x12 cab. So, altogether, it seems like less hassle than moving a combo.

A head and 2x12 cab is the better way to go compared to a big heavy combo. Can you swing a used 410? Not that the 205 is not a good amp, but you have more options as far as switching between sounds.
 
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It should be added that the 205C has side handles, which makes it a lot more portable than most combos. It is 5 kg heavier than a Marshall 2x12; whether that is more inconvenient than having to carry two separate parts and add more cables to the rig is not a foregone conclusion.
 
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I could possibly swing the 410H but I just feel like it is overkill with so many choices. Do you guys think the channels on the 410 are really worth it? Also, I was looking at the 205 because it is 50 watts, so I can use it at home and out gigging. Isn't a 100 watt head overkill for my needs? I'm worried if I go to 100 watts that I won't be able to move the master volume past .5 ....

Sirion, you make a good point about carrying the stuff. If I go head/cab, then I will only be moving my head for rehearsals and using the studios cab. I only have to move the cab for gigs. I like the possible versatility as well in case I decide to buy another head.. then I can just plug into my cab.

So I am still leaning towards the 205H mainly for price and the 50 watts. Is the 4 channel amp really worth it? Can I just take out two power tubes and run the 100watt head at 50 watts?
 
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I want at least three channels out of my amp, will the JVM2 switch do it? I would like 1) clean/crunch (roll the volume down for cleans), 2) dirty rhythm, 3) silky sustain leads ... those are my basic needs for my band. Having a separate clean and slight crunch would be nice (so four total options?).

That is absolutely do/able. I had a 210H and what I did was
1)clean
2)OD
3) full Distortion
4) solo boost (use master volume 2)
If you needed another flavor of dirt, you can use a pedal into the clean channel.
 
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I could possibly swing the 410H but I just feel like it is overkill with so many choices. Do you guys think the channels on the 410 are really worth it? Also, I was looking at the 205 because it is 50 watts, so I can use it at home and out gigging. Isn't a 100 watt head overkill for my needs? I'm worried if I go to 100 watts that I won't be able to move the master volume past .5 ....

Sirion, you make a good point about carrying the stuff. If I go head/cab, then I will only be moving my head for rehearsals and using the studios cab. I only have to move the cab for gigs. I like the possible versatility as well in case I decide to buy another head.. then I can just plug into my cab.

So I am still leaning towards the 205H mainly for price and the 50 watts. Is the 4 channel amp really worth it? Can I just take out two power tubes and run the 100watt head at 50 watts?

The answer to the last question is yes. I will say this: the two OD channels in the JVM4 series are similar enough that there are people who claim to be able to emulate the other using a simple band EQ. I wouldn't think that the four channels are necessary (after all, I bought the two-channel version!), but that is up to you in the end.
 
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So I had a chance today to play a couple different JVM combos at a store. I was not really impressed with any configuration I played (205, 210, 410 combos). Not that any of it was bad, but nothing earth shattering. The amount of sounds and settings available is confusing to me and I found myself spending more time trying to dial in a sound rather than enjoying it. My current combo amp wins in that department. One thing I did notice that is consistent with reviews I've read.. the amp is very noisy on high gain channels. Like, too noisy. This demo today has lead me to believe that I should look into a different amp. Maybe a DSL100 head would be better overall.
 
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So I had a chance today to play a couple different JVM combos at a store. I was not really impressed with any configuration I played (205, 210, 410 combos). Not that any of it was bad, but nothing earth shattering. The amount of sounds and settings available is confusing to me and I found myself spending more time trying to dial in a sound rather than enjoying it. My current combo amp wins in that department. One thing I did notice that is consistent with reviews I've read.. the amp is very noisy on high gain channels. Like, too noisy. This demo today has lead me to believe that I should look into a different amp. Maybe a DSL100 head would be better overall.

Yes, the JVM is a noisy beast on the gain channels. Noise comes with the territory when you have extreme high gain in an all tube circuit. The Satriani version has a noise gate, but that further increases the operating complexity. The best Marshall three channel amp was the 30th Anniversary amp, but I hesitate to recommend it because they are now going on 25 years old, and has a reputation as difficult to keep running and to service. There was the Triple Super Lead but it has mixed reviews. You never know if it might work for you, though. Its a good deal on the used market.

There's the Mesa Triple Crown which claims to be a three channel Marshall type amp, but I haven't played one. It looks to be pretty spendy, but if you can swing it that is an option to check out.

The new DSL100HR and the new revised version of the 40c is supposed to be more versatile than the older versions with an extra master volume and I think switching between channel modes via midi controller.

There are ways to tame the harshness of the old 40C. There is clipping or replacing the bright cap on the red channel, running a warmer speaker, and making sure the bias setting is not running the tubes too hot.
 
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My experience so far has been that it is noisy, but not too noisy. To be fair, I have found my gain sweet spot between 9 and 10 o'clock on the orange OD (or the red crunch cranked for a more vintage tone), so I am not using the full most extreme settings, but to me the noise sounds excessive in a bedroom situation, but becomes very manageable once you crank it up, and even more so in a band situation.
 
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The new Marshall DSL40 whatever its called sounds interesting because you can footswitch between clean/crunch and OD1/OD2. I like that, but the amp is made in China, but I haven't read of any serious quality issues. There is the Jet City Amelia that is a very affordable head with a true American clean channel and a very Marshall drive channel with a solo boost. It looks like an interesting amp. If you order it from their factory store, there are several (cheap) mode they can do to sweeten the clean channel, reduce the gain to more Classic/Hard Rock tones as opposed to higher gain and they can make all channels and solo mode available via footswitch, which isn't standard. Last I saw with all the mods it was $599.

I think (personally) that I would like a DSL over the JVM if it's really that noisy. Amps don't have to be noisy for higher gain, but that costs money.

Check out the new DSL40 first, and the Amelia.
 
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I had one for a few weeks and sold it. JVM410 was better as is the newer JS model. For $1k with independant EQ's why not look at a 1st generation H&K Triamp?
 
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For $1k with independant EQ's why not look at a 1st generation H&K Triamp?

I had one for a while and it's a cool amp with a few drawbacks. First of all it was HEAVY. My Mk. I weighed 65lbs; the only things I've ever encountered that were heavier were all tube bass amps.

Second each "amp" (channel really) has separate gain controls for the A & B modes, but a shared EQ and volume. Because of differences in how the two modes are voiced and their relative gain ranges (B mode is essentially a louder and fatter version of A), there's really only one way to use them. Here are a few examples of how it works in practice:

Amp 1 is ULTRA CLEAN. Forget about getting any grit out of 1A because it won't happen even with the gain on full. It's possible to get some grit out of 1B, but it's so much louder than 1A that it isn't usable in practice. I ended up dialing 1A to taste and using 1B as a louder 'clean solo' tone.

Amp 2 is voiced for vintage Marshall tones; 2A has Plexi levels of gain, while 2B is like a JCM800. If you like to do most of your playing on 2A, you'll be fine using 2B for leads. OTOH if you like 2B better (like I did) you'll have a hard time using 2A at all because it's voiced much brighter than 2B.

Amp 3 is the modern high gain channel. I was able to dial in a pretty convincing Recto tone on 3A, but the bass is so over-powering on 3B that it was hard to use at all.
 
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