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Re: Thread on HC asking about Blackouts' parts made in China
no luck, the email got back to me.
ill try ANother PM
no luck, the email got back to me.
ill try ANother PM
Thread on HC asking about Blackouts' parts made in China
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frankfalbo
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Re: Thread on HC asking about Blackouts' parts made in China
As a Seymour Duncan employee it would be irresponsible of me to make any assertions about someone else's business. But I can tell you what my understanding is, after first laying down the disclaimer that this is what I know from where I sit:
Most, but likely ALL of the electronic components used in a preamp circuit like those found in active guitar pickups are asian made. That's just the way of things. That part is likely the same no matter what small preamp circuits we're talking about, no matter who or what machine is stuffing them onto that flat circuit board material. In many cases, automated machines pick up and place down those asian electronic components, and then a machine is responsible for soldering these asian made parts into place.
From there, you have to make your pickup. That means winding, pigtailing, (some EMG's don't use a pigtail step, they run the wire straight to the circuit board) testing, etc. wax pot, assembly, epoxy pot, blah blah. All of that stuff is done in the United States, and to me, that is what "making a pickup" is.
So what we're really talking about here is how the asian parts make it onto that flat thing we call a circuit board. If you have machines to do that here, then you do it here. If you don't you do it over there. But either way, it's a machine stuffing asian components onto printed circuit boards.
Just as it would be inappropriate for you to boycott a stompbox or amp company for having asian components, I don't believe it's appropriate to boycott us OR EMG for asian componentry. But if you do, then you'll be glad to know that there are several Seymour Duncan passive pickups for you to choose from with entirely US made components! In fact, we are well aware of many boutique winders that source their bobbins and baseplates from overseas! So we welcome you!
As a Seymour Duncan employee it would be irresponsible of me to make any assertions about someone else's business. But I can tell you what my understanding is, after first laying down the disclaimer that this is what I know from where I sit:
Most, but likely ALL of the electronic components used in a preamp circuit like those found in active guitar pickups are asian made. That's just the way of things. That part is likely the same no matter what small preamp circuits we're talking about, no matter who or what machine is stuffing them onto that flat circuit board material. In many cases, automated machines pick up and place down those asian electronic components, and then a machine is responsible for soldering these asian made parts into place.
From there, you have to make your pickup. That means winding, pigtailing, (some EMG's don't use a pigtail step, they run the wire straight to the circuit board) testing, etc. wax pot, assembly, epoxy pot, blah blah. All of that stuff is done in the United States, and to me, that is what "making a pickup" is.
So what we're really talking about here is how the asian parts make it onto that flat thing we call a circuit board. If you have machines to do that here, then you do it here. If you don't you do it over there. But either way, it's a machine stuffing asian components onto printed circuit boards.
Just as it would be inappropriate for you to boycott a stompbox or amp company for having asian components, I don't believe it's appropriate to boycott us OR EMG for asian componentry. But if you do, then you'll be glad to know that there are several Seymour Duncan passive pickups for you to choose from with entirely US made components! In fact, we are well aware of many boutique winders that source their bobbins and baseplates from overseas! So we welcome you!
Benjy_26
25's Nemesis
Re: Thread on HC asking about Blackouts' parts made in China
What about 'em?
Show me a commercially available PRK product and I'll show you a flying pig.
What about 'em?
Show me a commercially available PRK product and I'll show you a flying pig.
hanumanlangur
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Re: Thread on HC asking about Blackouts' parts made in China
I wonder if any consumer electronics at all are made with only parts made in the western world? Assembled on a PCB, of course, but the components themselves? It's kinda doubtful, everyone uses Asian countries for that nitty gritty stuff (fast and accurate). For making and loading the PCB's, it's not really Asian worker vs. U.S. worker, but Asian automated machine vs. U.S. automated machine.
I wonder if any consumer electronics at all are made with only parts made in the western world? Assembled on a PCB, of course, but the components themselves? It's kinda doubtful, everyone uses Asian countries for that nitty gritty stuff (fast and accurate). For making and loading the PCB's, it's not really Asian worker vs. U.S. worker, but Asian automated machine vs. U.S. automated machine.
xxxplorer
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Re: Thread on HC asking about Blackouts' parts made in China
I try and be picky about this stuff, but it gets to the point where you can't... Teese wahs have Asian made components... and they sound better than anything else.... I believe there can be a compromise like the Blackouts. The stuff is tested by us and honestly... such a low current is going through the things, they ain't gonna break if they even are inferior (which they are not.).
I try and be picky about this stuff, but it gets to the point where you can't... Teese wahs have Asian made components... and they sound better than anything else.... I believe there can be a compromise like the Blackouts. The stuff is tested by us and honestly... such a low current is going through the things, they ain't gonna break if they even are inferior (which they are not.).
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Re: Thread on HC asking about Blackouts' parts made in China
while i was reading the posts... i saw something that got repeated over your afirmations :
we got it from there and then "we assembly everything Here in the usa"
ok. you assembly it in a PCB board made there AND Test Everythign There
what i was referring when i made my first comment was :
since asian parts HAS A Fame of Not Being Durable , one of the reasons is that they use cheaper components to boost up production(im open for any corrections here or EVERYWHERE Else Q: p) , If You Test it there and send it then(ok, you may not receieve many or not a single one at all, but the possibility is there) to be sold with everything ok, even knowing about the "fame" of the asian parts..
How would you make sure to the public that (excluding the parts that are not made in USA and not Assembled there) will be as quality and durable as the USA made and assembled parts?
for an example : lets suppose that everythign is fine, worked out, and both chinese PCBS and usa made parts are together, tested and ok.
then you put it in the market, and then, ONLY the asian parts gets defective.. and then, you got a product screwed up one time.
OK.
then, the same proccess and again, the same stuff.
would you change the chinese distributor or start a product line in Usa or in other country where the stuffs would be in a similar but better quality and durability than china?
Another question : how expensive is gettign stuff from Korean instead of china?
again, no offense INTENDED at all and just explaining my Doubt, so, it would be fixed.
Q: )
while i was reading the posts... i saw something that got repeated over your afirmations :
we got it from there and then "we assembly everything Here in the usa"
ok. you assembly it in a PCB board made there AND Test Everythign There
what i was referring when i made my first comment was :
since asian parts HAS A Fame of Not Being Durable , one of the reasons is that they use cheaper components to boost up production(im open for any corrections here or EVERYWHERE Else Q: p) , If You Test it there and send it then(ok, you may not receieve many or not a single one at all, but the possibility is there) to be sold with everything ok, even knowing about the "fame" of the asian parts..
How would you make sure to the public that (excluding the parts that are not made in USA and not Assembled there) will be as quality and durable as the USA made and assembled parts?
for an example : lets suppose that everythign is fine, worked out, and both chinese PCBS and usa made parts are together, tested and ok.
then you put it in the market, and then, ONLY the asian parts gets defective.. and then, you got a product screwed up one time.
OK.
then, the same proccess and again, the same stuff.
would you change the chinese distributor or start a product line in Usa or in other country where the stuffs would be in a similar but better quality and durability than china?
Another question : how expensive is gettign stuff from Korean instead of china?
again, no offense INTENDED at all and just explaining my Doubt, so, it would be fixed.
Q: )
super rad stuff
Skaforlifeologist
Re: Thread on HC asking about Blackouts' parts made in China
wow, harmony central is a nasty forum. hardly any info, lotsa name calling and mostly people shooting off(*insert brand name* sucks!/ftw!)
wow, harmony central is a nasty forum. hardly any info, lotsa name calling and mostly people shooting off(*insert brand name* sucks!/ftw!)
ex-250
Riffologist Extraordinaire
Re: Thread on HC asking about Blackouts' parts made in China
well that just sounds gross :laugh2:
well that just sounds gross :laugh2:
alex1fly
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Re: Thread on HC asking about Blackouts' parts made in China
yup. if any of the stuff we buy was 100% made in the usa you still wouldn't buy it, it would cost tenfold because the average american worker wants 40 dollars an hour plus benefits. and a few of your dollars won't make a difference when we're talking about trade on a national scale with multinational corporations calling the shots on what's available for us to buy.
especially the most important stuff of all, guitar gear! electronics from asia, heck the wood in your guitars is most likely not from the usa (mahogany, indian/brazilian rosewood)
yup. if any of the stuff we buy was 100% made in the usa you still wouldn't buy it, it would cost tenfold because the average american worker wants 40 dollars an hour plus benefits. and a few of your dollars won't make a difference when we're talking about trade on a national scale with multinational corporations calling the shots on what's available for us to buy.
especially the most important stuff of all, guitar gear! electronics from asia, heck the wood in your guitars is most likely not from the usa (mahogany, indian/brazilian rosewood)
Re: Thread on HC asking about Blackouts' parts made in China
There's a certain point when even bringing up a subject is absurd, and I think after all has been explained, any further concerns are off base and ridiculous.
Not meaning to insult people here, but I'm positive hardly any of you have 100% USA made tubes in your 100% USA made amps. Why are you okay with the amps being labeled as "Made in USA" when one of the more critical components are made overseas?
Do you think every ounce of wood in your guitars is grown in the US?
There's a certain point when even bringing up a subject is absurd, and I think after all has been explained, any further concerns are off base and ridiculous.
Not meaning to insult people here, but I'm positive hardly any of you have 100% USA made tubes in your 100% USA made amps. Why are you okay with the amps being labeled as "Made in USA" when one of the more critical components are made overseas?
Do you think every ounce of wood in your guitars is grown in the US?
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fretburner
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Re: Thread on HC asking about Blackouts' parts made in China
The biggest PCB manufacturers who make the highest quality PCBs are from Asia - Japan, Taiwan, China, Korea, etc.
The biggest PCB manufacturers who make the highest quality PCBs are from Asia - Japan, Taiwan, China, Korea, etc.
Re: Thread on HC asking about Blackouts' parts made in China
Not everything from Asia is of low quality. When it comes to electronics, there's quite a few high quality things coming out of Asian factories. I have a Phillips/Magnavox discman I got 12 or so years ago back in middle school, which was assembled in an Asian factory. Yes, the cheaply built headphones only stood up to a few years of almost constant (ab)use, but the CD player unit itself took several more years to develop a short in the headphone jack as the result of solder joints broken by constantly yanking the unit around by a headphone plug. If it takes something assembled in China 10+ years to be broken by regular abuse, then the factory that built it did a good job. I wouldn't consider that poor quality, I would consider that good quality.
The motherboard in the prehistoric dinosaur of a PC I am typing this reply from (ASUS K7V, 850mHz of AMD K7 Slot A Athlon POWER!) uses all Asian components and was assembled in an Asian factory, is sinfully obsolete, but still keeps going with no hardware troubles some 10 years after manufacture. Both my 100% American hand-built Mesa/Boogie Nomad 100 amp, your Peavey, and your Marshall, have electrical components made in Asian factories. The CPU of the computer you're using to post to this fourm? Made in an Asian factory. There are many more examples one could find if one bothered to look.
Now, do Asian factories turn out cheap junk? Absolutely! Buy something from Wal-Mart sometime. Many of the items you'll find in Wal-Mart were born in a Chinese factory, made with the intent of being able to sell it for as cheap as possible while still turning a profit, with little to no regard to quality. But even Wal-Mart's cheapest electronics can be decent quality.
China and the greater Asian region have been making electrical components for a few decades now. They've been at long enough that they can produce quality parts if they make an effort to do so.
Not everything from Asia is of low quality. When it comes to electronics, there's quite a few high quality things coming out of Asian factories. I have a Phillips/Magnavox discman I got 12 or so years ago back in middle school, which was assembled in an Asian factory. Yes, the cheaply built headphones only stood up to a few years of almost constant (ab)use, but the CD player unit itself took several more years to develop a short in the headphone jack as the result of solder joints broken by constantly yanking the unit around by a headphone plug. If it takes something assembled in China 10+ years to be broken by regular abuse, then the factory that built it did a good job. I wouldn't consider that poor quality, I would consider that good quality.
The motherboard in the prehistoric dinosaur of a PC I am typing this reply from (ASUS K7V, 850mHz of AMD K7 Slot A Athlon POWER!) uses all Asian components and was assembled in an Asian factory, is sinfully obsolete, but still keeps going with no hardware troubles some 10 years after manufacture. Both my 100% American hand-built Mesa/Boogie Nomad 100 amp, your Peavey, and your Marshall, have electrical components made in Asian factories. The CPU of the computer you're using to post to this fourm? Made in an Asian factory. There are many more examples one could find if one bothered to look.
Now, do Asian factories turn out cheap junk? Absolutely! Buy something from Wal-Mart sometime. Many of the items you'll find in Wal-Mart were born in a Chinese factory, made with the intent of being able to sell it for as cheap as possible while still turning a profit, with little to no regard to quality. But even Wal-Mart's cheapest electronics can be decent quality.
China and the greater Asian region have been making electrical components for a few decades now. They've been at long enough that they can produce quality parts if they make an effort to do so.
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Re: Thread on HC asking about Blackouts' parts made in China
for sure.i agree with you . i dont have any doubts about anythign at all
its just understanding and , no agreement.
as i always say ; I understood it properly, just not agree. no problem at all, no offense intended and no offense taken at all.
frank is a nice guy and explain things pretty clear without getting upset or etc.
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for sure.i agree with you . i dont have any doubts about anythign at all
its just understanding and , no agreement.
as i always say ; I understood it properly, just not agree. no problem at all, no offense intended and no offense taken at all.
frank is a nice guy and explain things pretty clear without getting upset or etc.
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sosomething
Seymour Duncan Customer Support
Re: Thread on HC asking about Blackouts' parts made in China
OH NOES
What about the old vintage Gibson guitars !?!???! !!! ???
THEY HAF MAHOGANY FROM HONDURAS!!!!
THEY GOTS ROSEWOOD FROMS THE BRAZIL!!!!
IS NOT 100% 'MURRRKENNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OH NOES
What about the old vintage Gibson guitars !?!???! !!! ???
THEY HAF MAHOGANY FROM HONDURAS!!!!
THEY GOTS ROSEWOOD FROMS THE BRAZIL!!!!
IS NOT 100% 'MURRRKENNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joelski
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Re: Thread on HC asking about Blackouts' parts made in China
Cluebomb: Gray market crap from anywhere on the planet will suck compared to the well-known chip foundries. Sony, Samsung, Hyundai and Mitsubishi. Nobody *****es about their excellent TV's! Seimens doesn't make a lot of the IC's common to musical instrument PCB circuitry, but the above mentioned companies do and do a **** good job of it. As long as the final assembly and QC is done in America by American technicians, I don't care about the two cents worth of componentry sealed inside the blob.
Cluebomb: Gray market crap from anywhere on the planet will suck compared to the well-known chip foundries. Sony, Samsung, Hyundai and Mitsubishi. Nobody *****es about their excellent TV's! Seimens doesn't make a lot of the IC's common to musical instrument PCB circuitry, but the above mentioned companies do and do a **** good job of it. As long as the final assembly and QC is done in America by American technicians, I don't care about the two cents worth of componentry sealed inside the blob.
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