Time to retube?

Low_fidelity2100

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So I've had this amp (83' fender concert II) for about 3 years now, And Never had it retubed. Never had any problems with it Till tonite.
Earlyer when I turned it on, I noticed a bit more hiss than usual from the reverb (These Rivera era fenders are notorious for hissing reverb from what I've read), So that kinda concerned me a bit. But it didn't seem like a big deal, I just turned the verb down and the hiss was gone.
A while later I had it cranked (sound proof basement), And Started getting some massive microphonics. After some inspection, and determineing it wasn't the guitar, cables, etc. I Narrowed it down to The First two tubes (v1 and v2 I think its called), on the right hand side (when looking at the amp from behind).
I remembered reading that Microphonics in the Reverb tubes wasn't an issue, cause reverb units are Microphonic by nature (This is just what I read, So I may be wrong and correct me if I am). So I swapped The microphonic Tubes in the first two slots for the tubes in Slots 4 an 5 (which I think are the Reverb tubes, Or the Fx loop tubes and being as I don't use the loop, I wasn't concerned with noise from it). And The microphonics were gone.
But while behind the amp To tap on the Tubes with a pencil (ta see if theres any noise or microphonics, Someone tell me if I shouldn't do this), I noticed that One power tube was Glowing Differently than the other. Not a Massive difference in color or Brightness, But just slightly different. And I dunno weather I should consider this an issue or not?

So heres My question. Should I get My amp retubed? Other than the Hissing, and microphonics, It doesn't sound weird in any other way. It sounds Pretty much the same as when I bought it, But I have No idea when the last time it was retubed Before I bought it. Not muffled or strange in anyway.
I've Never Gigged with the amp, being as before my band broke up, Me and the other guitarist always used his dads amps to gig with. And The amp Hasn't really Been turned Up Past 7 More than a dozen times since I've owned it, And the Volume Is Normally Below 4 (i.e. 90% of the time).
But since its My Only amp at the moment, I'de really hate to blow a power tube or something, and have something else get destroyed in the process.
Also Anyone have any idea how much it would cost? Its got 5 7025 (12ax7s), 2 12at7's, and 2 6L6GC's.
Should I just buy the tubes Myself? And Retube it myself? I'm fairly sure its a non-adjustable Bias, so would there really be any advantage To having the tubes professionally installed? Reason I ask this last question, is Cause Theres not really any guitar shoppes around here I Trust with my amp, being as most the sales guys are sleaze bags, I can't imagine what the people In the Back of the shop must be like, if these are the guys they let people see. So I'de probably have to travel somewhere to get it to someone I'de trust.
An I know from all these questions It probably seems like This is my first tube amp or something. But its not, This is just the first one I've owned that I liked enough to hang onto. All the others I've Gotten bored with, or hated, and sold after a year or less. But I absolutely Love this amp, and don't wanna risk messing it up.
So all you experts here (lew, scott_f, etc..) Gimme some advice please.
I'm sorry this is so long, But I wanna make sure I got everything covered.
thanks in advance everyone.
 
Re: Time to retube?

I've found that any amp under reasonable-high use is best of with new power tubes every 6-12 months, 24 months tops for me. So based on that alone I'd be looking at retubing it, and if you've started to have troubles with some of the preamp tubes too, it just seems smart. Preamp tubes don't need rebiasing anyways, just plug-and-play as it were - as for the power tubes, hopefully somebody can chip in with more expert advice relating to your amp.
 
Re: Time to retube?

Preamp tubes usually last 3-4 times or more longer than power tubes.
I'd say you were long overdue for power tube change.
I'm not aware of any Fender amps that don't need a re-bias at power tube time,but I'm more up on Marshalls than Fenders, unless you presently have something like the Groove Tubes, if you are, find out what number they are, and replace with the same number- you shouldn't have to re-bias, but it doesn't hurt to check it from time to time, as bias can drift.
If you replace the power tubes, and your symptoms go away , you are home free- as for the pre amp tubes, you could buy one for right now, and substitute it in the various positions until you find the one that is giving you problems.
 
Re: Time to retube?

get a matched set of JJ's from Eurotubes...and thank me later!!!
 
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Mavar - All the tubes in my amp are Groove tubes. So how do I check to find out what number they are? An if I get the same number does that mean I don't have to rebias? And also, I'm pretty possitive I've found the microphonic pre-tube, so should I just replace that One? or just replace em all while I'm at it? an thanks for the reply/advice.

hoss - Why ya recommend JJ's From eurotubes? Are they substantially "better" (I know thats subjective), and are they Much More than Groove tubes, Or ruby tubes? Thanks.

Also Does anyone know of what tube substitutions I could make? just to try and find some different sounds? I remember reading that a 12AU7 in The first two slots would lower the gain of the amp, and give it a more "vintage" character, sorta like the tweed era fenders. Is this a bad Idea for some reason?
Any other advice from anyone that knows what they're talkin about would be majorly appreciated.
 
Re: Time to retube?

chopstherocker said:
You sound like you just need to retube the whole amp. The power tubes are shot if you said that one is glowing differently. And if it's been a few years. Preamp's wouldn't hurt either.


Yeah, after reading up on stuff I am planning on just replaceing everything. Any suggestions For good Preamp tubes I should try? I think I'm just gonna go with Groove tubes for the Power tubes, But if ya got any suggestions On Power tubes, I'm open to suggestions on those too.

Like I said before, up until this amp I've always Just sold/traded My amps and got sumthing different In normally less than a year of having them. This is the first amp I've actually liked enough to hang onto this long. So this is pretty much my first time retubeing an amp.
 
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Todd at www.revolutionguitar.com will hook you up for the best price and shipped fast. He posts on here from time to time and is the best tube distributor I've come across. I'd get JJ 6L6's, ECC803S for the 1st position, and regular ECC83's for the rest. They're cheap but great tubes. The ECC803S is JJ's best pre tube, so it's ideal for the preamp driver tube.
 
Re: Time to retube?

Gearjoneser said:
Todd at www.revolutionguitar.com will hook you up for the best price and shipped fast. He posts on here from time to time and is the best tube distributor I've come across. I'd get JJ 6L6's, ECC803S for the 1st position, and regular ECC83's for the rest. They're cheap but great tubes. The ECC803S is JJ's best pre tube, so it's ideal for the preamp driver tube.

Kool, thanks man.
 
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