To Tone Or Not To Tone, WTF To Do With My A.S.A.T.??? Wiring Advice....

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So this is my A.S.A.T..... I absolutely love this guitar, for me its almost the perfect H/H guitar because its essentially just a Mahogany Tele with a couple of humbuckers in it? I'm definitely a Fender guy, my first real guitar was a MIM Strat & I've been playing Stratocasters and Telecasters ever since! I suppose it's the A.S.A.T.'s scale length, the C profile neck, & body contours, they just kinda feel like home to me?

My A.S.A.T. has pretty much become my main workhorse guitar now. It may not the prettiest guitar in the world but it plays amazingly & sounds absolutely terrific!!! It sounded pretty good with the stock Paul Gagnon humbuckers in it, but with Duncan's, she's just a thing of beauty!!! Since I bought it about 2 & 1/2 years ago I've had dozens of different humbuckers in both the bridge and neck slots trying to figure out exactly what I wanted in there? Almost everything I've tried in it has sounded pretty darn great but after much deliberation I've decided that the current layout (TB-CUSTOM bridge/PHAT CAT neck) is a keeper!!!

So here's my dilemma... The guitar still has the stock harness inside. It was always pretty trashy, cheap Alpha pots, cheap caps, a push/pull tone pot that I never used, Exc, but has taken a turn for the worst? Actually, I couldn't use the P/P even if I wanted to now because it no longer pulls up! I'm guessing that it has something to do with the fact that I've been dropping in & ripping out pickups pretty regularly for the past few years???

Anyway I think it's finally time for a new harness made out of some quality components!!! I already have a bunch of brand new 500K & 250K Duncan potentiometers, a rather large variety of PIO, Wax, Film, & Ceramic, Exc., capacitors & I took a trip to my closet music store today, where I then spent $22 on a DiMarizo/Switchcraft 3 way toggle!!! FLIPPING BANANAS!!!

Anyhow, I think I've got everything I'll need to do the job but what's got me stuck is the manner of harness that I want? Option A is your typical 2 pickup guitar or H/H Tele harness, wherein you've got a single volume, single tone, & the 3 way toggle. This would pretty much give me what I've got now but without the stupid P/P knob and 6 miles of useless cheap shielded wire inside?

Option B would be to lose the tone knob completely? Just have two independent volume knobs for each pickup & nothing in the tone circuit.... This layout is quite appealing to me for a few reasons. First off, I almost never touch my tone knobs on any of my guitars! Really, the only time I do, is when I'm playing one of my actual Telecasters, one that's loaded with traditional Telecaster singles? Even then I don't play with them very often. I also really like the idea having independent volume controls! I's IMHO, the absolute best thing about L.P.'s & their cousins!!! I recently setup my Godin like this & its opened up a whole new world for me! Plus, I'd imagine having the option to bleed in some of that Phat Cat in switch position 2, or vise versa, could come in quite handy???

My only concern with this is that without the tone knob in the circuit the guitar will be overly bright? The ASAT does have a darker backbone to it (why I settled with a TB-5 for the bridge) so a little extra brightness could be good as long as it doesn't equate to piercing shrillness?

So what would you do if you were me????

Thanks guys!!!!
 
Re: To Tone Or Not To Tone, WTF To Do With My A.S.A.T.??? Wiring Advice....

Go with a 500K volume, 250K tone and call it a day. That'll work just fine and it won't be overly bright.
 
Re: To Tone Or Not To Tone, WTF To Do With My A.S.A.T.??? Wiring Advice....

I really like the tone pot on my Am Deluxe Tele, which is no load in the full position (I.e. Out of circuit), it gives me the best of both worlds. I also switched it over to 50s wiring, so it's only bleeding treble. That might be worth a go.


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Re: To Tone Or Not To Tone, WTF To Do With My A.S.A.T.??? Wiring Advice....

Or, if you really don't want a tone, maybe use that pot as a bass roll-off in the same way Reverend do - that'd let you get single-coil-ish tones from your humbuckers.


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Re: To Tone Or Not To Tone, WTF To Do With My A.S.A.T.??? Wiring Advice....

try the 2V / 0T option and see how it lives with ya

i'd be tempted to do 2 (concentric stacked) volumes and a master tone

or skip the three way and put in a blender pot so all the way up is neck, all the way down is bridge and dead center is 50/50 plus everywhere in between to change the blend ratio ... then a master volume master tone
 
Re: To Tone Or Not To Tone, WTF To Do With My A.S.A.T.??? Wiring Advice....

I have the SAME guitar, same color. I have an APH-1 set, they are wonderful with it.

I think to modify the elec too and I'm planning to put:
- two Triple shots
- a A500K volume and a A500K tone connected in 50s style
 
Re: To Tone Or Not To Tone, WTF To Do With My A.S.A.T.??? Wiring Advice....

BTW the tone control, if full on, doesn't interact so much on the sound, just a tiny slight warmer sound.
It's the volume value that can modify the Q on the frequency response at the resonance freq
 
Re: To Tone Or Not To Tone, WTF To Do With My A.S.A.T.??? Wiring Advice....

I rarely use the tone control on the neck pickup but when I'm soloing on the bridge pickup the tone control is in constant use.

That's how I get the vowel or "OW" tones I love.

But that's me. Your playing style must be different if you never ever use the tone control.

IMO, you need to try it both with a tone control and without and see which works best for you.

No one can tell you what you'll like.

Gotta find out for your own self.
 
Re: To Tone Or Not To Tone, WTF To Do With My A.S.A.T.??? Wiring Advice....

I've got a two pickup Strat as well and don't use the tone control. I generally go with a 250k or 300k volume with Humbuckers without a tone control. It'd be cool to do a series/parallel switch and two independent volumes.
 
Re: To Tone Or Not To Tone, WTF To Do With My A.S.A.T.??? Wiring Advice....

I ended up trying both but settled on a simple Tele harness made out of two matching 500K pots, a Switchcraft 3 way toggle, pushback wire, & a oil can capacitor.... I should have done this years ago, just ripping out & replacing all those trash components improved the guitar's tone exponentially!!!
 
Re: To Tone Or Not To Tone, WTF To Do With My A.S.A.T.??? Wiring Advice....

well, the coolest idea i can think for it is concentric pots for vol, a push pull blender pot instead of the 3 way so you can mess more with the sound blends, the push pull will be there wired to switch the neck pickup vol load from 500k to 250k, a push pull A500k master tone pot, do yourself a vour and wire it with a .22 cap, so you have more usable sounds, also make sure it is audio taper, linear taper just ruins tone knobs badly, and wire the push pull on it as a blower switch, with it you could go from whatever value of vol, tone blender you have and pull to the bridge bucker at 11 straight to the jack for searing leads or just heavy rhythm work

that would be likely the craziest highest tone possibilities wiring i can think of for that guitar
 
Re: To Tone Or Not To Tone, WTF To Do With My A.S.A.T.??? Wiring Advice....

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well, the coolest idea i can think for it is concentric pots for vol, a push pull blender pot instead of the 3 way so you can mess more with the sound blends, the push pull will be there wired to switch the neck pickup vol load from 500k to 250k, a push pull A500k master tone pot, do yourself a vour and wire it with a .22 cap, so you have more usable sounds, also make sure it is audio taper, linear taper just ruins tone knobs badly, and wire the push pull on it as a blower switch, with it you could go from whatever value of vol, tone blender you have and pull to the bridge bucker at 11 straight to the jack for searing leads or just heavy rhythm work

that would be likely the craziest highest tone possibilities wiring i can think of for that guitar

I've actually got one of my Godin's wired up with a harness that's basically identical to what you described... I'm pretty happy with the guitar now but that's definitely good food for thought! I'd have to order a couple parts but nothing too expensive so perhaps I'll give it a try some time next week???
 
Re: To Tone Or Not To Tone, WTF To Do With My A.S.A.T.??? Wiring Advice....

I ended up trying both but settled on a simple Tele harness made out of two matching 500K pots, a Switchcraft 3 way toggle, pushback wire, & a oil can capacitor.... I should have done this years ago, just ripping out & replacing all those trash components improved the guitar's tone exponentially!!!

Just curious: in my Asat deluxe the Pot Knowb seems stuck on the pot lever so tightly I've never been able to detach it (I fear it could break, I'll try it again when I'll change the pot), was your knob stuck like that?
 
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