Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
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Re: Tone is your brain, fingers, and musicality.
Well in the end...it is the notes that matters!
Well in the end...it is the notes that matters!
Tone is your brain, fingers, and musicality.
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Kosh Naranek
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Re: Tone is your brain, fingers, and musicality.
I almost never visit the Clips & Tips forum on this site. That's a bad sign as far as my interest in musicality.
I requested to join the Zen Guitar forum. That's the closest thing to a brain, fingers and musicality forum I can think of. But they never got back to me. I must not have the requisite musicality. :dunno:
I almost never visit the Clips & Tips forum on this site. That's a bad sign as far as my interest in musicality.
Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
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Re: Tone is your brain, fingers, and musicality.
Well this place is a gearewhore showdown
As for tips and clips....it getting boring there...nobody else than a few posts anything there!!
It used to be much more lively!
Now it is just a splitting atoms page most of the time here!!
Really not very fun nor inspiring!
Well this place is a gearewhore showdown
As for tips and clips....it getting boring there...nobody else than a few posts anything there!!
It used to be much more lively!
Now it is just a splitting atoms page most of the time here!!
Really not very fun nor inspiring!
BigAlTheBird
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Re: Tone is your brain, fingers, and musicality.
I agree to a point Joe, but I play better when it sounds better. Bad gear, especially stuff that feels like crap, makes me play worse. Don't like it.
I agree to a point Joe, but I play better when it sounds better. Bad gear, especially stuff that feels like crap, makes me play worse. Don't like it.
Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
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Re: Tone is your brain, fingers, and musicality.
Then put more effort into it!
Then put more effort into it!
Dr.Mavashi
neonderthalotonalogist
Re: Tone is your brain, fingers, and musicality.
Well .... its kind like this, you have to find gear that listens to you if you have anything to say .... like if you play covers, well you better off with stuff that is close to whats used on the originals. If you play original stuff, first you have to be honest about what it is and then look for appropriate rig. If you cant find it, than you should go back to just practicing more. I've had JCM900, and JCM2000 DSL50, I've tried a Peavey ValveKing and was satisfied for the price, than I tried my AOR with my Spina TS and I was amazed, that was exactly what I was looking for, the amp did make sound a bit, better than I really am. I have a bro that I constantly argue about gear he seems to go along the lines that you have to get the gear that is a standar in a genre and that's it, and if you cant sound right than its your fault. I dont agree, the gear has to connect with you but then again, it comes down to playing music first and playing the gear second. I find it very helpfull to practice unpluged or on an acoustice and try to creat all the heaviness, lightness, mood, vibe, feel, etc with no electricity involved and than when you do plug in its like a finished product of sorts ....
Well .... its kind like this, you have to find gear that listens to you if you have anything to say .... like if you play covers, well you better off with stuff that is close to whats used on the originals. If you play original stuff, first you have to be honest about what it is and then look for appropriate rig. If you cant find it, than you should go back to just practicing more. I've had JCM900, and JCM2000 DSL50, I've tried a Peavey ValveKing and was satisfied for the price, than I tried my AOR with my Spina TS and I was amazed, that was exactly what I was looking for, the amp did make sound a bit, better than I really am. I have a bro that I constantly argue about gear he seems to go along the lines that you have to get the gear that is a standar in a genre and that's it, and if you cant sound right than its your fault. I dont agree, the gear has to connect with you but then again, it comes down to playing music first and playing the gear second. I find it very helpfull to practice unpluged or on an acoustice and try to creat all the heaviness, lightness, mood, vibe, feel, etc with no electricity involved and than when you do plug in its like a finished product of sorts ....
El Dunco
Sock Supplier to RHCP
Re: Tone is your brain, fingers, and musicality.
Yeah you shouldn't even need gear in the first place... your fingers should produce all the drive and throw you need
in fact why doesn't the world do away with amps altogether?! Why don't we just mic up electric guitars acoustically?
I am a genious
Yeah you shouldn't even need gear in the first place... your fingers should produce all the drive and throw you need
in fact why doesn't the world do away with amps altogether?! Why don't we just mic up electric guitars acoustically?
I am a genious
Toner
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Re: Tone is your brain, fingers, and musicality.
Do what the pros and pro guitar techs do...
Put a parametric EQ before the amp and your sound will be amazing. If you're not 100% sure what it does, do some research.
Most amps have bass, mid and treble, you can adjust how much of each, but you can't cut or boost certain frequencies. A lot of parametrics have a low, low-mid, mid, mid-high and high controls with freq selector and level controls for each.
Any guitarist/bassist owes it to themselves to try it out, and I'm not talking about 30 minutes, I mean really try it out, then go back to playing your amp with the settings you thought were best, it will sound like crap after going back because you don't have the fine EQ tuning capabilities.
I was good with my amp sound, and I tried it out for the hell of it, one of the best things I ever did.
some info here: http://www.amptone.com/g228.htm
Do what the pros and pro guitar techs do...
Put a parametric EQ before the amp and your sound will be amazing. If you're not 100% sure what it does, do some research.
Most amps have bass, mid and treble, you can adjust how much of each, but you can't cut or boost certain frequencies. A lot of parametrics have a low, low-mid, mid, mid-high and high controls with freq selector and level controls for each.
Any guitarist/bassist owes it to themselves to try it out, and I'm not talking about 30 minutes, I mean really try it out, then go back to playing your amp with the settings you thought were best, it will sound like crap after going back because you don't have the fine EQ tuning capabilities.
I was good with my amp sound, and I tried it out for the hell of it, one of the best things I ever did.
some info here: http://www.amptone.com/g228.htm
BigAlTheBird
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Re: Tone is your brain, fingers, and musicality.
Well since I own good stuff (not world class, but very good), I don't need to kill myself playing. The Green thing is hard enough to play, if all my guitars were like that or worse, I wouldn't quit but it sure wouldn't be fun. I've played guitars in the past that would make me quit if they were my only one. Just terrible.
Effort only goes so far.
Well since I own good stuff (not world class, but very good), I don't need to kill myself playing. The Green thing is hard enough to play, if all my guitars were like that or worse, I wouldn't quit but it sure wouldn't be fun. I've played guitars in the past that would make me quit if they were my only one. Just terrible.
Effort only goes so far.
Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
Unseen
Re: Tone is your brain, fingers, and musicality.
Wanker you are then
Thou shall be sentenced to play a Tele with 13-65 strings in normal 440 tuning.
And practise country licks
Wanker you are then
Thou shall be sentenced to play a Tele with 13-65 strings in normal 440 tuning.
And practise country licks
Re: Tone is your brain, fingers, and musicality.
Getting a good tone is definatley down to ones compentance as a player. The more skilled the player the better of a sound they will get from the equiptment at hand. No, a Strat thru a Pignose isn't going to sound like an LP thru a cranked 100 watt Marshall, but a skilled player will still make that Strat and a Pignose sound mighty fine.
An example: Back in the mid 90's I was a bass player in a weekend band and our rhythm guitarist had an LP and a 50 watt Marshall half stack. Classic setup, right? Not in his hands. He was a great guy and I liked him a lot but man, the guy could barely play and as a result the tone he got from that "classic setup" was terrible. One night a friend of ours sat in on our rhythm players gear. Didn't change a thing on the guitar or amp and suddenly it was "oh my God!!" Tone, tone and more tone for days all because of the skill level of the player.
Getting a good tone is definatley down to ones compentance as a player. The more skilled the player the better of a sound they will get from the equiptment at hand. No, a Strat thru a Pignose isn't going to sound like an LP thru a cranked 100 watt Marshall, but a skilled player will still make that Strat and a Pignose sound mighty fine.
An example: Back in the mid 90's I was a bass player in a weekend band and our rhythm guitarist had an LP and a 50 watt Marshall half stack. Classic setup, right? Not in his hands. He was a great guy and I liked him a lot but man, the guy could barely play and as a result the tone he got from that "classic setup" was terrible. One night a friend of ours sat in on our rhythm players gear. Didn't change a thing on the guitar or amp and suddenly it was "oh my God!!" Tone, tone and more tone for days all because of the skill level of the player.
BigAlTheBird
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Bludave
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Re: Tone is your brain, fingers, and musicality.
A great guitar, plugged into a great amp.... in the hands of a sloppy player is still going to sound like ****!
A great guitar, plugged into a great amp.... in the hands of a sloppy player is still going to sound like ****!
JB_From_Hell
Jomo's Nimions
Re: Tone is your brain, fingers, and musicality.
This thread is funny.
I think it's kind of understood that if we're on a website talking about replacing pickups, we've all got guitars that stay in tune, and are not on the verge of collapsing.
A good carpenter isn't going to use some rinky-dink dollar store tool set, but he can obviously work to his full potential with less than the most pricey tools in the world. He also probably worries more about what he's building than the pattern on the grip of his hammer.
This thread is funny.
I think it's kind of understood that if we're on a website talking about replacing pickups, we've all got guitars that stay in tune, and are not on the verge of collapsing.
A good carpenter isn't going to use some rinky-dink dollar store tool set, but he can obviously work to his full potential with less than the most pricey tools in the world. He also probably worries more about what he's building than the pattern on the grip of his hammer.
Hot _Grits
Buttery Toneologist
Re: Tone is your brain, fingers, and musicality.
Sh*t Joe, I don't think I've disagreed with a thing you've written since politics was banned.
I use all kinds of stuff all the time, being a sucker for gear. Not long ago at a session for a blues record I was asked to play some Bo Diddley-esque rhythm guitar. I had my Victoria and Blue Angel with me, as well as a bassman ri, red knob twin and JCM800. And I ended up getting the best sound out of a Blues Jr. Whatever works works.
When the red light goes on or the big lights go down, you got to let it all fall away and get on with the music.
Sh*t Joe, I don't think I've disagreed with a thing you've written since politics was banned.
I use all kinds of stuff all the time, being a sucker for gear. Not long ago at a session for a blues record I was asked to play some Bo Diddley-esque rhythm guitar. I had my Victoria and Blue Angel with me, as well as a bassman ri, red knob twin and JCM800. And I ended up getting the best sound out of a Blues Jr. Whatever works works.
When the red light goes on or the big lights go down, you got to let it all fall away and get on with the music.
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tone?
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Re: Tone is your brain, fingers, and musicality.
Joneser, we have had many conversations about this subject and i have to agree totally.
Although i am still looking for a 'great' guitar the ones i have do have their good and great points.
Sometimes i get all obsessive and try all my guitars to see which one i like the best. Last night as a matter of fact i put them all in a line and was playing certain lines through them. After driving myself crazy for about an hour or so, the more i played the more i became confused about which one is better. and the more evident it became the certain guitars sounded better for certain things. All had their 'good' spots and 'bad' on the fretboard. some had more punch than others, others were brighter, darker etc....
Crazy..
IN the end i was i noticed that all in all i was most 'comfortable' with my 20 year old Ibanez that i guess my ear is just used to. But they all served their purpose.
Although i do think that some guitars are superior to others, a great musician will find something to sound great on almost any guitar. Which totally makes me think that musicianship is above gear.
Want proof? Listen to Eddie play through his woodless Steinberger. Billy Gibbons has been known to play through everything and anything and sound nothing less than awesome.
Joneser, we have had many conversations about this subject and i have to agree totally.
Although i am still looking for a 'great' guitar the ones i have do have their good and great points.
Sometimes i get all obsessive and try all my guitars to see which one i like the best. Last night as a matter of fact i put them all in a line and was playing certain lines through them. After driving myself crazy for about an hour or so, the more i played the more i became confused about which one is better. and the more evident it became the certain guitars sounded better for certain things. All had their 'good' spots and 'bad' on the fretboard. some had more punch than others, others were brighter, darker etc....
Crazy..
IN the end i was i noticed that all in all i was most 'comfortable' with my 20 year old Ibanez that i guess my ear is just used to. But they all served their purpose.
Although i do think that some guitars are superior to others, a great musician will find something to sound great on almost any guitar. Which totally makes me think that musicianship is above gear.
Want proof? Listen to Eddie play through his woodless Steinberger. Billy Gibbons has been known to play through everything and anything and sound nothing less than awesome.
Simon_F
Super Moderator
Re: Tone is your brain, fingers, and musicality.
Ya sure what you play is important but gear plays a big role as well..... no way can you use just any old Piece of dung and say it sounds great... as a player you need gear that you can feel great and comfortable playing and get a good sound to play your best... some gear will just not cut it for some styles... no way i could use my 5150 for this Jazzy mellow band i have going.... i just could not get a sound out of it for the stuff i'm doing to be comfortable... I'm using my Godin into a clean C30 tube amp...
once you have a basic rig that covers a fair bit of ground for what you want to play then you can do your thing.. I have some cheap arse MIM strats and teles i picked up used, and a few older tube amps i got used for cheap that i gig with... I changed the Bridge pickups but i play the same on these MIM as i do the MIA stuff... so i have a basic rig i can use to get where i need to be... for most things...
you have to like your sound to play your best.... if i could i'd love to use a real cheap POS axe thru a POS amp and still sound like my heros.... but there is a limit as to how much tone is in the figers goes... Copying a players phasing and sense of timing is all part of sounding like "------"... whoever....
Ya sure what you play is important but gear plays a big role as well..... no way can you use just any old Piece of dung and say it sounds great... as a player you need gear that you can feel great and comfortable playing and get a good sound to play your best... some gear will just not cut it for some styles... no way i could use my 5150 for this Jazzy mellow band i have going.... i just could not get a sound out of it for the stuff i'm doing to be comfortable... I'm using my Godin into a clean C30 tube amp...
once you have a basic rig that covers a fair bit of ground for what you want to play then you can do your thing.. I have some cheap arse MIM strats and teles i picked up used, and a few older tube amps i got used for cheap that i gig with... I changed the Bridge pickups but i play the same on these MIM as i do the MIA stuff... so i have a basic rig i can use to get where i need to be... for most things...
you have to like your sound to play your best.... if i could i'd love to use a real cheap POS axe thru a POS amp and still sound like my heros.... but there is a limit as to how much tone is in the figers goes... Copying a players phasing and sense of timing is all part of sounding like "------"... whoever....
LunaticFringe
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Re: Tone is your brain, fingers, and musicality.
Gearjoneser, how did you get a job making cartoon music? I would be perfect for that.
Gearjoneser, how did you get a job making cartoon music? I would be perfect for that.
