Too simplify a pedalboard or add???

papersoul

papersoul

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My band plays 90s rock, hard rock and grunge and I am thinking of replacing my pedals with a Line 6 M9 or replacing everything with an M13 and just use that and my amp's channel switcher.

Right now I use a Dunlop Crybaby, Boss tuner, OD pedal, Fulltone Choralflange, MXR Carbon Copy, EQ pedal and noise gate.
Lately I have not been using the noise gate because I am using more dynamics in my playing.

So I was thinking of going doen to a wah, tuner, delay, OD and that is it. Maybe a chorus or second dely.

But I might just replace the loop effects with the M9 or replace everything with the M13 and use the four cable method so my phaser and ODs can go up front. This way, all I would need is my amp's footswitch, the M13, the Line 6 expression pedal that connects and that is it.

The first test will be if the L6 negatively impacts my amp's tone. I am not a big effects user though but cleaning everything up would be cool and never having to look for an effects in the future would be nice.

Thoughts?
 
Re: Too simplify a pedalboard or add???

Well if it can replace all of my pedals, patch cables, power supplys, velcro and all that crap and only drop a tiny bit in quality, it might be a no brainer. :)
 
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try out the line 6 stuff in a shop where you can crank up the amp and then see how it sounds compared to what you are using. BTW...if you do go for an m9...can i buy your choralflange? :)

btw...with what you have, if you taker the tuner and the noise gate out of your chain its already shorter and will sound better...add true bypass and a volume mod to your wah (if the crybaby is stock) and you will have a simpler, smaller and better sounding setup for next to nothing. So that would leave a good wah, od and delay. Cheapo headstock tuners work fine and dont do anything at all to your signal path.
 
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gibson175 said:
try out the line 6 stuff in a shop where you can crank up the amp and then see how it sounds compared to what you are using. BTW...if you do go for an m9...can i buy your choralflange? :)

btw...with what you have, if you taker the tuner and the noise gate out of your chain its already shorter and will sound better...add true bypass and a volume mod to your wah (if the crybaby is stock) and you will have a simpler, smaller and better sounding setup for next to nothing. So that would leave a good wah, od and delay. Cheapo headstock tuners work fine and dont do anything at all to your signal path.
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Actually an M9 would be a much cleaner and neater set up than pedals, no patch cables, power supplies,
etc and pus I have more choices if I desire. Plus I save a ton of money because I would not need a Pedaltrain
or Voodoo Power supply, plus after selling all my effects...even if I got a used M13 and wah I would still pocket $400

For what it is worth, I am not a true bypass fan, I prefer buffered bypass. I use a stock Crybaby 95Q and can't hear a difference in or out of the chain.
 
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Been there a few times, I soldl all the pedals and went for a multi-fx. I haven't tried the M9 or 13 but have had Boss GT5, 2 x GT6 and a GT8 and whilst all sounded ok... that was it, just OK. Gone back to pedals now and I'm much happier, it only takes me an extra couple of minutes to set up now they are mounted properly on a board.
 
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papersoul said:
So I was thinking of going doen to a wah, tuner, delay, OD and that is it.
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That's what I gig with, plus an octaver I use on a couple of tunes. The delay doesn't get much use either. The only thing I miss occasionally is a phaser (but that's just my 70s rock fetish). As gibson175 says, you can even do without the tuner if you have a Snark or similar headstock device.

My personal preference for smalltime gigging is to keep the rig as simple as possible - it's easy to set up and operate in cramped busy spaces without a road crew to assist, plus the audience at the average pub/bar gig where sound conditions aren't always ideal isn't going to notice the more subtle effects.

Sometimes I let GAS lead me in the opposite direction, but I always end up feeling happier when the gig rig is as basic as I can get away with.
 
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Simon. What type of music you play? We are a 90s cover band called Pearl Garden - 90s rock, hard rock and grunge. I still can see some songs that may need a phaser or flanger, maybe some of the Smashing Pumpkins songs or some other highly effected songs. However, I was thinking just wah, tuner, OD pedal, dual delay and EQ. I rarely even use a noise gate these days as I am trying not to be a gain head any longer.
I might also go totally simple. Tuner - Wah - OD - Delay - EQ!!! SIMPLE :)


What about chorus for cleans?

Amps are Bogner Shiva, PWE Event Horizon and Mesa Electradyne.

My idea behind the Line 6 M13 was to stop my obsessing over expensive analog stomp boxes and to get rid of my patch cable and power supply mess.
An M13 and wah could do everything I could ever need.

Thoughts?
 
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I say go with the m13... if you spend enough time twaeking your patches you can get some ppretty nice tones goin on. Especially with the delays.
 
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Using modulation live I find to be more of a hassle and takes away from my playing. Switching to a clean with chorus and then back to dry gain is a pain. I might go wah and delay and that is it. At least with delay I can leave a light delay on when I switch back to gain and it is not as obnoxious or anything. Wah - OD - tuner - dual delay - EQ.
Maybe two ODs.
 
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papersoul said:
Simon. What type of music you play? We are a 90s cover band called Pearl Garden - 90s rock, hard rock and grunge. I still can see some songs that may need a phaser or flanger, maybe some of the Smashing Pumpkins songs or some other highly effected songs. However, I was thinking just wah, tuner, OD pedal, dual delay and EQ. I rarely even use a noise gate these days as I am trying not to be a gain head any longer.
I might also go totally simple. Tuner - Wah - OD - Delay - EQ!!! SIMPLE :)


What about chorus for cleans?

Amps are Bogner Shiva, PWE Event Horizon and Mesa Electradyne.

My idea behind the Line 6 M13 was to stop my obsessing over expensive analog stomp boxes and to get rid of my patch cable and power supply mess.
An M13 and wah could do everything I could ever need.

Thoughts?
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We are a cover band also, but we play a mixture of 70s rock, funk and late 70s / early 80s punk & new wave. And occasionally something more modern if it fits our style. ;) We don't try to nail the exact sound of the originals, rather we just pick material we like and play it in our own style. I play into a moderately crunchy Marshall, roll back the guitar volume for cleans (no separate clean channel) and use an OD to push the gain and mids for solos. I have been known to use a chorus or phaser but they don't tend to stay on the board for long. The OD and the wah are essentials but for the stuff I play and the environment I play in I often find modulation effects detract from the clarity and directness of the tone more than they add anything. I'm not bashing anyone else's use of effects here - I'm just saying how it is for me.

In the late 90s I used a Boss ME-30 for all my effects for a couple of years (plugged into the front of a Marshall). It actually sounded pretty good and I used the chorus, delay and phaser in that. If I recall correctly it didn't have a bypass mode - you had to program a "bypass" patch with all the effects turned off :D

I haven't tried the M9 or M13 but if I was looking at a wider range of effects I'd certainly consider them.

Why don't you try running the minimalist rig for a gig or two and see how you get on? Then try the Line 6 out if you decide you definitely need more effects.

I'm not convinced buying the M13 would stop you obsessing over expensive analog stomp boxes though. That's just living with GAS!
 
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I think I decided what to do. Pull the phaser off my board, sell my Choralflange, reverb and carbon copy delay. Going to buy an Analogman Bi Chorus, Analogman ARDX delay, and Dr. Scientist EQ. I might also buy an Analogman King of Tone.
I never use flanger or phaser.....so a wah, tuner, OD, chorus, delay and EQ I think will do me.
 
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OK, my buddy told me I don;t need to spend that much on Analogman gear. He brought his pedalboard over and this is what it had.

Now keep in mind my wah is a Crybaby 95Q because I hate having to turn a wah on.

But he has the Bonamassa wah! Nice, but tough for me to get used to clicking it on.

His board -
Dunlop Bonamassa Crybaby - Boss Tuner - Xotic AC Plus - then in the loop was a new MXR Analog Chorus - MXR Carbon Copy and Dr. Scientist The Cleanness EQ. All sound killer!

Really surprised by the AC Plus because it does everything I could ever need from slight grit to medium crunch. I don;t get my gain from pedals, I just use em to add some grind to my amp or take it over the top!

But I love my Sonic Edge J&J OD!
 
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I just spent some time going over what I have used through the years, what worked and what didn't, and what I think I will need or want for this 90s cover band. This is the current board I have drawn up:

GUIATAR -> Dunlop Bonamassa Crybaby wah -> Boss TU-3 tuner -> Sonic Edge J&J jfet analog OD -> AMP Loop -> MXR analog chorus -> MXR Carbon Copy analog delay -> MXR Carbon Copy analog delay -> Boss GE-7 modded EQ - > AMP In

I am going to use two delays, one for short almost reverb repeats and one for big, long, spacious repeats.
 
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Is it stupid to use two delays? I am using one for a very short delay, almost reverb like and one long.
 
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Simon, how are you my friend? I finally gave in and am selling my Pedaltrain 2 and buying a PT Pro. I hate feeling limited, I need more room and another Voodoo Labs power supply.

Pedals are as follows:
Dunlop Zakk Wylde wah
Boss TU-3 tuner
Sonic Edge J&J OD
Xotic BB MB
Xotic EP
MXR 1974 RI phaser
MXR Micro flanger
MXR Analog Chorus
Boss GE-7 EQ (Mike's mods)
ISP Decimater

Too much???

Simon_F said:
We are a cover band also, but we play a mixture of 70s rock, funk and late 70s / early 80s punk & new wave. And occasionally something more modern if it fits our style. ;) We don't try to nail the exact sound of the originals, rather we just pick material we like and play it in our own style. I play into a moderately crunchy Marshall, roll back the guitar volume for cleans (no separate clean channel) and use an OD to push the gain and mids for solos. I have been known to use a chorus or phaser but they don't tend to stay on the board for long. The OD and the wah are essentials but for the stuff I play and the environment I play in I often find modulation effects detract from the clarity and directness of the tone more than they add anything. I'm not bashing anyone else's use of effects here - I'm just saying how it is for me.

In the late 90s I used a Boss ME-30 for all my effects for a couple of years (plugged into the front of a Marshall). It actually sounded pretty good and I used the chorus, delay and phaser in that. If I recall correctly it didn't have a bypass mode - you had to program a "bypass" patch with all the effects turned off :D

I haven't tried the M9 or M13 but if I was looking at a wider range of effects I'd certainly consider them.

Why don't you try running the minimalist rig for a gig or two and see how you get on? Then try the Line 6 out if you decide you definitely need more effects.

I'm not convinced buying the M13 would stop you obsessing over expensive analog stomp boxes though. That's just living with GAS!
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