Trem guys: talk to me about floyds

Re: Trem guys: talk to me about floyds

I use the OFR, but when I did a crap ton of research about it, lots of people who had played all three said Schaller was best by a smidge and the Gotoh wasn't far behind.
 
Re: Trem guys: talk to me about floyds

The gotoh has a cold rolled steel base, the Edge doesn't (has steel inserts), same goes for Schaller's own floyd version. The gotoh has a pop in trem arm and comes stock with a brass block and locking springs (schaller nor OFR do that: zinc block, non-locking springs by default). Gotoh has a smarter arm mechanism in fact the smartest on the market at the moment. And. Gotoh is a bit cheaper than most others, and a bit less protruding.

Gotoh, all the way.
 
Re: Trem guys: talk to me about floyds

The OFR does NOT have a zinc block. They have nickel plated brass blocks, and you can order the size you need (32/37/43). And they have reasonable sized post anchors and posts with fine threads to prevent wobbling. 12" radius.

Gotoh, do come with brass blocks and screws to lock the springs, but the block is 40 mm, which wont work in most recessed applications. Which means most likely you'll have to change the block right off the bat. They also come with locking posts, similar to what they make for Ibanez Edge trems, but the post anchors are 11 mm, and roughly 3.5 mm deeper than the OFR parts. Unuseable in MIJ Jacksons, and big enough that I'm sketchy about using them in most other stuff. This trem also has zinc saddles (albeit really high quality zinc) and the string lock bolts are longer than OFR parts (but are interchangeable). I do really like this trem and the push in arm, but really it's not the upgrade over a German made OFR that people say it is (because John Suhr said so). 17" radius, I think.

Original Edge and Lo Pro, high quality zinc baseplate and saddles, hardened steel knife edges, zinc block with spring locks (I like this style better than the gotoh). Same long string lock blocks and massive 11 mm post anchors as the gotoh, but slightly different locking posts. Push in arm. Awesome trems, different (lighter) feel and sound (warmer). The OG Edge is fairly low profile when compared to a OFR, the lo pro is like playing a strat hardtail, awesome. Also 17" radius (again, I think).

Floyd Rose Special, steel baseplate, hardened only at the pivots, zinc saddles, zinc block, all parts interchangeable with OFR. Replace the block and you've got a good trem.

1990 JT580LP Takeuchi, lo pro, steel baseplate (not sure if hardened or not, but I think it has to be). Mine had a Takeuchi stamped brass block, but I think newer ones have zinc blocks. Zinc saddles, OFR style collar arm. Mine is a solid unit, but you'll read all kinds of bad (and good) things. There has to be several versions of thing thing around from over the years, probably hit or miss depending on it's origin.

Schaller trems have zinc baseplates with hardened steel inserts (like the Edge), and most of the parts are not interchangeable with the OFR. The saddles are also in a slightly forward position in relation to the OFR apparently. It's been long enough since I messed with one that I can't comment on it's sound.

Never even touched a Floyd Rose Pro, but it's the lo pro version and is a completly different deal (all parts unique to it), supposed to be as good or better than the OFR though.

The Floyd Rose Original is still probably the best replacement if you need to make sure you get what you need without a bunch of planning or reworking. They fit in almost everything. You can get the block and the nut you need with it. Real hardened steel saddles. Fine thread posts are almost as good as the locking posts, but aren't ridiculous. And parts are easy to get.

Sure, it's more $$$, but you'll quickly blow through what you saved when you find out you have to replace the block, buy a nut and re-drill for the 11 mm posts or spring for some OFR posts instead. That said, the Gotoh would be an excellent trem for a new build.
 
Re: Trem guys: talk to me about floyds

Here's my thoughts:

Having used each, if you're going for a guitar with the best stock trem, Ibanez wins with its Gotoh made Ibanez Edge. Smoothest feel. However, it's difficult to retrofit this bridge on another guitar, as the baseplate is larger, you need a much larger recess route for it to float. And the bridge radius is flatter. This trem is best if you buy it on a stock Ibanez.

The best aftermarket trem is the Gotoh Floyd. However, you can usually only get the nut in a 1 5/8 inch width. Factor in another $30 since you'll have to buy a Schaller/ Floyd Rose made nut if you need another nut width.

Schaller now makes 2 Floyds- it's original licensed trem with case base and hardened steel inserts and the Lockmeister, which is solid hardened steel, like the OFR. I like the Schaller variations since if you're going for a floating Floyd, the Schallers have a slightly smoother feel. The Lockmeister is new, I'm waiting to get my hands on one. The licensed one with the cast plate has a warmer tone than the OFR, the Lockmeister would sound like an OFR but has improvements.

Then there's the German (Schaller made) Original Floyd Rose. Built like a tank but a little crudely constructed. Not as smooth a feel as the Gotoh or Schaller, but it stays in tune. Has a stiffer feel. Advantage is you can get it with whatever nut width you want.

I had the Floyd Rose Pro. Same quality as the German made Original Floyd Rose, but has a lower profile like the Ibanez Edge. It needs to be recessed.

There's the Korean made OFR which comes OEM on some guitars. I'm not happy with the feel of the trem arm on these.

Then there's the Floyd Rose Special. Not bad for a budget trem, has cheap parts that are upgradeable in the future.
 
Re: Trem guys: talk to me about floyds

AFAIK, the OFR is king overall due to the feel. Second, you can get similar or possibly even superior tuning stability from the Ibanez LoPro Edge such as in my Universe, and it does feel fantastic, but I guess I've always been drawn to the feel of the OFR.

Third in my experience is probably the German Schaller licensed Floyd, which is of a significantly different design. Serves well in umpteen million early '90s Jacksons and Charvels.

I'm a big fan of whatever PRS calls the trem is uses in it's Custom 22 level guitars, which feels great and is very stable, and the EBMM Petrucci models appear to have something similar (looks innocent, but takes tons of abuse), although I'm sure the design is different under the skin. I am not a Fender leg humper, and I don't aspire to do endless Layla impressions, so it doesn't bother me at all to have a big honkin' Floyd in a guitar. To the contrary, it makes it look more like a weapon, which is fine by me. :D
 
Re: Trem guys: talk to me about floyds

I've lost my taste for them in recent years but I'd say go original Floyd, not the licensed ones. I have almost no problems with going out of tune on my original. Not sure about other tremolo brands, though I hear Ibanez puts out some good ones.
 
Re: Trem guys: talk to me about floyds

Have used Floyds almost since I started out on guitars, Gotoh, org OFR and the org Edge(also made by Gotoh) are the ones I like the best.....and all this modern stuff with those "big blocks" and all that....well...no comments!
 
Re: Trem guys: talk to me about floyds

Izzo you may have already answered this, but do you guys know if the Gotoh is a direct replacement for an OFR? Or would I have to do some routing work? I have a Jackson SL2H that I love, I just wish the fine tuning screws were a bit lower profile. I've heard the Gotoh are, and that it is a great floyd. The Floyd Pro is low profile, but from what I read I've have to do routing work on my guitar which I don't want to tod.
 
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The two guitars I have that came stock with OFR fit the Gotoh, but the string lock bolts are longer, so that could be a problem. Other than that as long as you can fit a 40mm block and you use the stock posts it will fit perfectly.
 
Re: Trem guys: talk to me about floyds

I have an 83-84 OFR, a mid 90's OFR and a Gotoh. As far as I can tell they are interchangeable. That being said, the Gotoh's arm attachment dos protrude down below the base plate farther than the two arm attachment types that the OFR have used over the years.
 
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Thanks guys. Is the Gotoh a bit lower profile with regards to the fine tuners?
 
Re: Trem guys: talk to me about floyds

Thanks guys. Is the Gotoh a bit lower profile with regards to the fine tuners?

No, but there's a downward angle on the lip of the whale tail that makes a dTuna fit a bit funny.

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