Triple shot with phase setting?

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Inflames626

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Hey guys,
I recently learned about the Triple Shot, which lets us get a lot of different wiring sounds without messing with push pull pots and switches.

Since phase is another setting that goes with series/parallel, why isn't a phase switch offered on the Triple Shot as well?

Thanks.
 
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It would require space on the PCB and easy access to operate whilst playing.
 
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Is there a way to simulate out of phase pickup settings in a DAW? I assume this has nothing to do with phase reversal and polarity settings.

I'd like to play with an out of phase middle Strat pickup sound for funk, but not have to bother with doing the mod for something I won't use often.

While I can understand being concerned about space on the PCB, as far as easy access, wouldn't simply flicking another switch (perhaps on the other side of the mounting ring) suffice?
 
Re: Triple shot with phase setting?

Inflames626 said:
Is there a way to simulate out of phase pickup settings in a DAW? I assume this has nothing to do with phase reversal and polarity settings.

I'd like to play with an out of phase middle Strat pickup sound for funk, but not have to bother with doing the mod for something I won't use often.

While I can understand being concerned about space on the PCB, as far as easy access, wouldn't simply flicking another switch (perhaps on the other side of the mounting ring) suffice?
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Putting the two coils out of phase with each other in a humbucker is probably not the best out of phase sound you could get. The beauty of the 2 & 4 position on a strat is that the pickups are not out of phase but rather because of the distance between the pickups you get some frequencies canceling and some frequencies adding. With two coils in a humbucker out of phase, I would suspect that it would be real weak and thin because the coils are almost picking up the same frequencies there for canceling too many frequencies. You will get a slightly better tone by using the Parrellel setting which is already in the Triple Shot.
For out of phase tones try the Peter Green Mod which puts one whole humbucker out of phase with the other.
 
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The sound that a conventional Stratocaster makes when pairs of adjacent pickups are selected is, essentially, notch filtering and reinforcement. In a DAW, use the parametric EQ. If your software includes a Formant Filter processor, try that.
 
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Thanks. I was going to ask about one HB out of phase with the other. I thought of this because SD posted the Jimmy Page wiring scheme on their FB page recently, which included out of phase.

Also, I assumed that, in a hypothetical phase Triple Shot setup, the two harnesses could be wired together in some way so that one pickup could be out of phase with the other. Essentially everything would be routed to a central harness, which would replicate connecting from one component to another, in a simpler setup.
 
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Inflames626 said:
Thanks. I was going to ask about one HB out of phase with the other. I thought of this because SD posted the Jimmy Page wiring scheme on their FB page recently, which included out of phase.

Also, I assumed that, in a hypothetical phase Triple Shot setup, the two harnesses could be wired together in some way so that one pickup could be out of phase with the other. Essentially everything would be routed to a central harness, which would replicate connecting from one component to another, in a simpler setup.
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Exactly, and for this, a push/pull would serve quite adequately and not be a difficult modification.
 
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Wouldn't this require more than a push/pull? You would need both pickups in phase, neck humbucker out of phase, and bridge out of phase.

Or, does simply setting one out of phase solve the problem and there's no need to isolate them individually?
 
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TS rings, while more flexible due to offering 4 combinations (rather than the usual 2 or 3) otherwise still give you the same output as you'd get from any other coil switching arrangement: hot, neutral, and ground. How you wire the B and N pups in relation to each other is up to you, and unrelated to the TS rings.

I just got a set going with some P-Rails, and loving all the versatility. They're connected to some really crappy pots that absolutely need upgrading. I'm now thinking to order one as a push-pull for B/N phase, just to go extra crazy.

A single DPDT is all it takes.

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Edit: to fully addr your question, you only need 2 combos: (1) both pups in phase, (2) one pup reverse phase. It shouldn't matter which one you're switching, because it's all only relative to each other electrically. (Think about 2 astronauts floating in outer space. When they're aligned face-to-face, you could say they're in phase. Rotate one end-for-end, and now they're out of phase. But whichever one you rotate doesn't matter, as there's no up or down relative to either.)
 
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Correct. If one is out of phase, that is all you need. Both with phase reversed would put them back in phase.
 
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Okay.

Wouldn't you still need phase on each pickup so that you could, say, play a solo out of phase on the neck pickup and then out of phase on the bridge pickup? With one switch, the other pickup would still be in the original phase. Or does the "in phase" pickup's tone get changed even when the other pickup is the one that is switched?

My desire is to have series/parallel/split (ideally with coil choice, but not crucial), phase, and kill switch on each pickup individually all on a 2 knob or more guitar. This is the laundry list of most passive wiring mods. I don't think I'd use any of the more exotic Strat mods like treble bleed, etc. I prefer getting my tone more from the amp than the instrument and don't use a tone knob usually.

Most of my guitars are master volume active pickups only, and a lot of this complicated passive wiring is new to me, even something as routine as splitting.

By everyone's description above, sounds like I could do this with a Shadow killpot for the master volume, push pull for phase on the tone, and the Triple Shots on each pup ring.
 
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Sorry about the redundancy guys. I saw above that a couple people had addressed the phase thing and I didn't notice it. Just making extra sure I get it.
 
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