Trying to fix up my 59 for jazz

[Clint 55]

I'm going for a fat sound with my Dot with flatwounds. I had an A2P in there before and I know that works, but I like the 59 character more. I just did a bad job of trying the 59 with the cover. So I'm gonna give it another try without the cover and a UOA5. I'm also gonna replace the 500k pots with 250k. I want a fat warm tone with a little sparkle if possible. What combo do you think works best for that?

 

[LtKojak]

Re: Trying to fix up my 59 for jazz

Depending on the guitar, either an A3 and a fully-charged A2 would do the trick. The cover is a fundamental part of the outcoming tone.

UOA5 would work too, but it'll have a slightly sharper highs and a "spongy" feeling in the lows on a '59n.

Don't use 250K on a neck p'up.

HTH,

 

[Blille]

Re: Trying to fix up my 59 for jazz

I was in the same situation, followed the feedback from the forum and ended up really happy with an A2 59, 500k pots and and a 0.005 cap

SD Antiquity Humbucker vs Alnico II Pro Neck humbucker for Jazz in a Tele

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[Clint 55]

Re: Trying to fix up my 59 for jazz

Thanks, I'll try a fully charged A2 next.

 

[blueman335]

Re: Trying to fix up my 59 for jazz

Definitely 500K's for neck HB's to keep them from being dark & muddy.

I don't think degaussed A2's are necessarily the best magnet for Ant's, I certainly wouldn't put them in any other PU.

 

[Clint 55]

Re: Trying to fix up my 59 for jazz

I want the neck HB to be dark and muddy haha. Like the tone between 1 and 3. I might have been being prejudice against the degaussed A2 because of a bad pot, we'll see. I'm hot on the trail.

 

[Blille]

Re: Trying to fix up my 59 for jazz

I want the neck HB to be dark and muddy haha. Like the tone between 1 and 3. I might have been being prejudice against the degaussed A2 because of a bad pot, we'll see. I'm hot on the trail.

If you really like it muddy, you may want a higher cap than 0.005 but I don't believe you really like it muddy if you liked A2Pro before


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[Clint 55]

Re: Trying to fix up my 59 for jazz

I like the 22nf cap on there pretty well between 0 and 3. I'm trying to get it so it sounds good through a larger range. I'll try a 68nf on there next.

 

[Clint 55]

Re: Trying to fix up my 59 for jazz

I'm stumped. The 59 is reading full at the leads and output, but sounding at half output. I changed the pot, magnets, double checked that I hadn't wired it out of phase after reassembling it from a hybrid. Arrg maybe I broke it.

 

[Blille]

Re: Trying to fix up my 59 for jazz

I'm stumped. The 59 is reading full at the leads and output, but sounding at half output. I changed the pot, magnets, double checked that I hadn't wired it out of phase after reassembling it from a hybrid. Arrg maybe I broke it.

[emoji17]
It wouldn't read full if you had broke it, no? Can it be the pot or something else in the wiring?

Good luck!


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[Clint 55]

Re: Trying to fix up my 59 for jazz

Thanks!

I had all the wiring hanging out of the guitar to make sure it looked good. Then plugged in my cable and read it at the cable and it read full. So I don't know.

 

[Clint 55]

Re: Trying to fix up my 59 for jazz

I was in the same situation, followed the feedback from the forum and ended up really happy with an A2 59, 500k pots and and a 0.005 cap

SD Antiquity Humbucker vs Alnico II Pro Neck humbucker for Jazz in a Tele

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sh...com/forum/showpost.php?p=4117160&share_type=t


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So you're liking your jazz guitar with the A2 59? Was it a Tele?

 

[Blille]

Re: Trying to fix up my 59 for jazz

So you're liking your jazz guitar with the A2 59? Was it a Tele?

Yes I am. Tele with just that humbucker in the neck. Northern ash. Flatwound strings.


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[Clint 55]

Re: Trying to fix up my 59 for jazz

Very cool. How do you like the dark pickup and dark flatwounds on the bright ash Tele?

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Looks like I broke my 59. All I have left to do is go in and see if I can repair the coil(s). If I can't fix it, I might score a 59 bridge for the neck for extra darkness.

 

[gregory]

Re: Trying to fix up my 59 for jazz

I've been curiously following along and can't wrap my head around what you want out of the tone control. Part of it is because I'm more like Lew in that I'd rather not knock down the treble of most HBs in the neck. Even with the bridge, I've gone so far as to stick something like a 22k in series so the tone control never reaches that place were tone takes that insane nose-dive.

Anyway, if you want 1-3 then just put a series R with the value you get when the pot is on 1. Measure the pot at 3 and subtract the series R and that's what you want for your pot value on full which you can achieve by picking a pot with the closest value but higher and fine tune with a parallel resistor, also paying attention to how you want it to taper. You probably know this already, but for anyone else who's curious...

A push/pull can be good to disengage the effect (and you might want a bigger pot if you want it to switch to a more traditional tone control). No load mod can be cool too, but I know you like using dual-gangs and don't know how easy it can be done with those (or with pots that are combined with switches). If you or anyone else has successfully modded these types of pots, I'd love to hear about the gory details.

 

[Clint 55]

Re: Trying to fix up my 59 for jazz

I actually just got it! 100k pots worked perfectly. They brought down the resonant peak to where everything is warm and bassy but still with a hint of glass with everything on 10. Exactly what I was going for with my jazz guitar. This way the whole sweep of my tone pot is useful instead of only 0 - 3 like with the 500k pots.

I agree, I like most of my guitars bright but with body, too. This is my only guitar where I'm going for full fat, full bass, my dedicated jazz guitar.

I was getting to be a little depressed there. My rustic refret, then my 59 broke on me. But I got the A2P back in with 100k pots and a 68nf cap and it's gold for jazz! Plus 14 - 65 flatwounds.

 

[gregory]

Re: Trying to fix up my 59 for jazz

Sorry about the 59, but glad you got the whole thing working with the APH.

I do like fat, round, warm jazz cleans with just a hint of glass, to be sure!

Did you end up keeping the cap at 22nF?

 

[Clint 55]

Re: Trying to fix up my 59 for jazz

Thanx. I put a new 68nf cap on there.

 

[Blille]

Trying to fix up my 59 for jazz

Very cool. How do you like the dark pickup and dark flatwounds on the bright ash Tele?

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Looks like I broke my 59. All I have left to do is go in and see if I can repair the coil(s). If I can't fix it, I might score a 59 bridge for the neck for extra darkness.

I like it, it feels like gives me articulation I wouldn't have otherwise. I also made one of the positions go straight to output so the guitar has a good range

Sorry about the 59 but glad you made it work out. You play jazz through a Vox? Not that you can but it may explain some of your choices


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[LtKojak]

Re: Trying to fix up my 59 for jazz

What it might've happened to the '59 is that you connected the end coil of the first coil to the start of the other one. It measures OK, but it sounds bad.

The standard is start screw coil to ground, end coil to END coil of the slug bobbin, start to hot.

HTH,