leevc5
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Re: Tube pedal - does SD make one?
I mean do you know the P/N of a specific FET or MOSFET that has these characteristics?
I mean do you know the P/N of a specific FET or MOSFET that has these characteristics?
Tube pedal - does SD make one?
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leevc5
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Re: Tube pedal - does SD make one?
Thanks, I think I found what I want to try...no diode clipping:
Thanks, I think I found what I want to try...no diode clipping:
devastone
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Re: Tube pedal - does SD make one?
Yes, they overdrive the mosfets just like you overdrive tubes in a tube amp, that's what the ones I've been mentioning do. Except for the OCD, it uses a couple of mosfets in place of the diodes (so they aren't amplifying, just clipping). FWIW, the Duncan Palladium, the MXR EVH Overdrive, Wampler's amp in a box pedals, and lots of others are also based on overdriven FETs instead of clipping diodes.
I just went and listened to some Stan Getz and looked at your equipment list, and honestly, there are only 3 pedals in there, the others are digital modelers and I can understand why you didn't get what you were looking for from them, especially if you just tried presets. You have some great guitars, a good amp (the Champ), an okay amp (the Valvestate, I admit, I'm not a fan, but it's been years since I tried one and some people love them). But, my recommendation would be to put some of the same care into picking effects that you have apparently put into choosing your guitars. Just because a pedal uses diodes to clip, doesn't mean it won't sound good. There are tons of great sounding pedals out there of all kinds, you also might look into pairing a compressor with a good OD pedal.
Check out this Monte Allums modded SD-1 - https://youtu.be/iF187Vs3eaY?t=71
Here's a demo of the Twin Tube and I don't think this is what you are looking for (I could be wrong, it happens all the time and I will admit it) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqD0ApvB15Y
Yes, they overdrive the mosfets just like you overdrive tubes in a tube amp, that's what the ones I've been mentioning do. Except for the OCD, it uses a couple of mosfets in place of the diodes (so they aren't amplifying, just clipping). FWIW, the Duncan Palladium, the MXR EVH Overdrive, Wampler's amp in a box pedals, and lots of others are also based on overdriven FETs instead of clipping diodes.
I just went and listened to some Stan Getz and looked at your equipment list, and honestly, there are only 3 pedals in there, the others are digital modelers and I can understand why you didn't get what you were looking for from them, especially if you just tried presets. You have some great guitars, a good amp (the Champ), an okay amp (the Valvestate, I admit, I'm not a fan, but it's been years since I tried one and some people love them). But, my recommendation would be to put some of the same care into picking effects that you have apparently put into choosing your guitars. Just because a pedal uses diodes to clip, doesn't mean it won't sound good. There are tons of great sounding pedals out there of all kinds, you also might look into pairing a compressor with a good OD pedal.
Check out this Monte Allums modded SD-1 - https://youtu.be/iF187Vs3eaY?t=71
Here's a demo of the Twin Tube and I don't think this is what you are looking for (I could be wrong, it happens all the time and I will admit it) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqD0ApvB15Y
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Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
Re: Tube pedal - does SD make one?
I am the furthest from a tube snob. But, if you are trying to capture a tube sound you might be better off selling the AVT50 and investing the stomp box cash towards a tube amp. The Palladium Gain Stage is $300 and a used Tube Driver is in the $250 range. I would hate to see you spending this kind of money trying to make a hybrid amp sound like a tube amp when the solution is to buy a tube amp. FWIW I think the Marshall AVT50 is a killer amp it just doesnt seem to have the tone you are looking for.
I am the furthest from a tube snob. But, if you are trying to capture a tube sound you might be better off selling the AVT50 and investing the stomp box cash towards a tube amp. The Palladium Gain Stage is $300 and a used Tube Driver is in the $250 range. I would hate to see you spending this kind of money trying to make a hybrid amp sound like a tube amp when the solution is to buy a tube amp. FWIW I think the Marshall AVT50 is a killer amp it just doesnt seem to have the tone you are looking for.
leevc5
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Re: Tube pedal - does SD make one?
"Here's a demo of the Twin Tube and I don't think this is what you are looking for (I could be wrong, it happens all the time and I will admit it) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqD0ApvB15Y"
I listened to the Twin Tube on youtube and did not care for it much. But next to that youtube demo was a dem0 of the 805. I listened to it and it had some tones that came very close to what I am looking for. I think I will load up some gear (probably the marshal and the Telecaster and go to the music store and try out an 805 this weekend.
Thanks man, you have been a great help.
"Here's a demo of the Twin Tube and I don't think this is what you are looking for (I could be wrong, it happens all the time and I will admit it) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqD0ApvB15Y"
I listened to the Twin Tube on youtube and did not care for it much. But next to that youtube demo was a dem0 of the 805. I listened to it and it had some tones that came very close to what I am looking for. I think I will load up some gear (probably the marshal and the Telecaster and go to the music store and try out an 805 this weekend.
Thanks man, you have been a great help.
leevc5
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Re: Tube pedal - does SD make one?
Excellent suggestion, however that takes me into a completely new realm of dilemma that is not for this forum...which tube amp??? If I could go back in time I would keep the '65 Fender Bandmaster that I sold when I went off to college. Finding one of those now would be near impossible and if I did it would probably cost as much as a new BMW.
Excellent suggestion, however that takes me into a completely new realm of dilemma that is not for this forum...which tube amp??? If I could go back in time I would keep the '65 Fender Bandmaster that I sold when I went off to college. Finding one of those now would be near impossible and if I did it would probably cost as much as a new BMW.
Chickenwings
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Re: Tube pedal - does SD make one?
Pedals can't get the sound of a nice tube amp. They are just gravy for the steak. Gravy doesn't make tough meat tender. You need good quality steak.
If you have a nice amp, even simple, humble pedals like a tube screamer or ye olde boss SD1 can sound amazing.
You have some nice axes. I think your problem lies in the amp department.
Pedals can't get the sound of a nice tube amp. They are just gravy for the steak. Gravy doesn't make tough meat tender. You need good quality steak.
If you have a nice amp, even simple, humble pedals like a tube screamer or ye olde boss SD1 can sound amazing.
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Re: Tube pedal - does SD make one?
I used a Twin Tube for years- and I am not a tube snob by any means (John McLaughlin used one too for a long time). If something can get that sound without fragile tubes, I am all for it. The Palladium Gain Stage can.
I used a Twin Tube for years- and I am not a tube snob by any means (John McLaughlin used one too for a long time). If something can get that sound without fragile tubes, I am all for it. The Palladium Gain Stage can.
devastone
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Re: Tube pedal - does SD make one?
Nah man, I'm from TN, my grandmother's gravy made everything awesome!!
I agree with Securb and Gibson175 that the AVT isn't a good choice for what you want to do (I know, I already said that), that said, I think you can get close with a good sounding clean combo and the right pedals (the 805 is a good choice to try). You already have a Champ and that is a good building block to start with, I've seen a guy do a gig with and get a ton of good tones with an old Champ mic'd and a pedalboard with lots a few different drive pedals, along with delay, modulation, compression... If you are looking at a new amp, you might check out the Fender SuperSonic 22 combo or maybe a Marshall DSL40C, both are 2 channel tube amps. I also thiink a compressor might help too after you get and overdrive sound you like.
Nah man, I'm from TN, my grandmother's gravy made everything awesome!!
I agree with Securb and Gibson175 that the AVT isn't a good choice for what you want to do (I know, I already said that), that said, I think you can get close with a good sounding clean combo and the right pedals (the 805 is a good choice to try). You already have a Champ and that is a good building block to start with, I've seen a guy do a gig with and get a ton of good tones with an old Champ mic'd and a pedalboard with lots a few different drive pedals, along with delay, modulation, compression... If you are looking at a new amp, you might check out the Fender SuperSonic 22 combo or maybe a Marshall DSL40C, both are 2 channel tube amps. I also thiink a compressor might help too after you get and overdrive sound you like.
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leevc5
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Re: Tube pedal - does SD make one?
Thanks, the Twin Tube and Palladium are overkill for me. I am looking for a specific sound not the broad range of sounds that those two pedals offer. I want something simple and I am hoping the 805 will accomplish what I am looking for.
Thanks for the suggestions.
Thanks, the Twin Tube and Palladium are overkill for me. I am looking for a specific sound not the broad range of sounds that those two pedals offer. I want something simple and I am hoping the 805 will accomplish what I am looking for.
Thanks for the suggestions.
leevc5
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Re: Tube pedal - does SD make one?
Great idea...the Champ is thing of beauty when cranked up with no pedals. Maybe I'll cover my studio room walls and ceiling with Acoustic Foam Panels then I can have the sound I want. Downside I'd probably end up as deaf as Pete Townshend.
I will check out the Marshall DSL40C. I do like my AVT50 but maybe it's time for an upgrade I've had it for a lot of years.
Great idea...the Champ is thing of beauty when cranked up with no pedals. Maybe I'll cover my studio room walls and ceiling with Acoustic Foam Panels then I can have the sound I want. Downside I'd probably end up as deaf as Pete Townshend.
I will check out the Marshall DSL40C. I do like my AVT50 but maybe it's time for an upgrade I've had it for a lot of years.
Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
Re: Tube pedal - does SD make one?
Have you checked out the Fender Bassbreaker line yet? They are a throwback to the late 50's early 60s Bassman circuit but they went with EL84 power tubes. So pretty much a JTM45 clone. They might have some of the old Fender mojo you are looking for without paying collector's pricing. They have a huge range of heads and combos in this new line. I haven't heard them but they do look interesting.
http://www.fender.com/amplifier-series/bassbreaker/?_ga=1.144388406.2019570332.1458680015
Have you checked out the Fender Bassbreaker line yet? They are a throwback to the late 50's early 60s Bassman circuit but they went with EL84 power tubes. So pretty much a JTM45 clone. They might have some of the old Fender mojo you are looking for without paying collector's pricing. They have a huge range of heads and combos in this new line. I haven't heard them but they do look interesting.
http://www.fender.com/amplifier-series/bassbreaker/?_ga=1.144388406.2019570332.1458680015
Nostalgic Distortion
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Re: Tube pedal - does SD make one?
The whole tube in a box thing is kinda overrated I.M.H.O. & I've owned several very expensive boutique "tube driven" pedals in the past & currently. They don't always do what you think they will on paper, some of them are okay but it's more of a gimmick in most cases than for tone...
Just a side note, if you decide to go that route I've got a almost new OCD for sale on the cheap? The box, papers, Exc., it's all there. P.M. me if you're interested...
The whole tube in a box thing is kinda overrated I.M.H.O. & I've owned several very expensive boutique "tube driven" pedals in the past & currently. They don't always do what you think they will on paper, some of them are okay but it's more of a gimmick in most cases than for tone...
Just a side note, if you decide to go that route I've got a almost new OCD for sale on the cheap? The box, papers, Exc., it's all there. P.M. me if you're interested...
