Tube screamers

james.fusco

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Hi there,

I'm having a bit of a battle over which tube screamer would be best for Metalcore. The sound I'm trying to achieve is a Killswitch esque sound. I'm torn between an Ibanez TS9 and Ibanez TS808.
What's your opinion on what would be better suited for this.

The rig I would be using it with is a Peavey 6505+ with Mesa Cab.

Cheers :)
 
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I'm gonna go +1 on the Maxon. That rig is the exact same as what Trivium is using to record their new album with.
 
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I have the ts9, ts808, and several others. I like the Maxon OD808 best. The ts9 is too nasal, and the ts808's footswitch is unreliable crap.
 
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Little known fact is the OD808 is actually based on the TS10 not the TS9 or TS808. If I was buying a new pedal (ive had my TS9's for years and see no reason to buy new versions of it) I would get a OD9 instead for the true bypass and its based off the TS9 circuit.
 
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Don't take this the wrong way because I mean this to be an honest and helpful comment but with those levels of gain the differences between a TS-9 and a TS-808 will be lost...
 
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Don't take this the wrong way because I mean this to be an honest and helpful comment but with those levels of gain the differences between a TS-9 and a TS-808 will be lost...

Actually I used to agree with you with but then I had got a TS9 that was silver modded by analogman and comparing it to my stock TS9 under high gain you can definitely hear more of what your fingers are doing with the modded TS9. IMO it might make more difference at those gain levels.
 
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Actually I used to agree with you with but then I had got a TS9 that was silver modded by analogman and comparing it to my stock TS9 under high gain you can definitely hear more of what your fingers are doing with the modded TS9. IMO it might make more difference at those gain levels.

I said nothing about a modded TS...I am strictly talking about a stock TS9 and a stock TS808. Once you get into the modded stuff and Mikes silver mods for sure all bets are off...
 
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Well it you talk about the reason why those guys use a tubescreamer to boost high gain amps then most of it has to do with tightening the bass and adding a little compression. The maxon OD808 is king of all the tube screamers in my opinion. I have a handwired TS808, but it has slightly less transparency and clarity than the OD808, and it's not as tight on the bottom end. Maxon has several tubescreamer offerings including the soft distortion and super distortion. The SD9 is a terrific pedal for metal music, and with the Analogman mod, is probably the best pedal mod I've heard. the only other pedal mod I care for is the TS9 by keeley but still prefer the OD9 Pro+ by maxon over that. The 808 or SD9 should be in your sights I think.
 
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I personally like the hardwire cm-2. It's got both bass and treble controls, and has a switch that allows even more gain to be on tap. Being a TS clone, it does have the classic mid increase and tightness. It's also true bypass if you're into that sort of thing.
 
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After building a ton of Tube Screamers, I've found that he thing that makes them all sound different is component tolerances. Two OD808s can sound as different from each other as they can from a TS5.

The TS808 came with various 4558 op-amps in its original run, and the reissue uses the JRC4558. The original TS9 was all over the place with op-amps, but also used some 4558s. The reissue uses one that everyone hates (TA75558P), but I really can't hear that much difference when I swap them out. Other than the op-amp, the 808 and 9 are the exact same circuit. I mean literally, the same circuit built on the same PCB. The output resistors have different values, but they make no audible difference. You can even wire up the TS808 and TS9 output resistors on a switch and see for yourself.

The TS7 actually uses a JRC4558 just like the 808 reissues. A very nice budget TS, and the hot mode is a cool feature. The TS5 comes in a plastic housing, and I've had switching issues with some, but it's built to TS9 specs with a TA75558P, but I haven't heard any difference when I swapped those guys out for 4558s. One of my favourite sounding Screamers is a TS5.

I haven't gotten my hands on a TS10, but I remember comparing schems and seeing an extra resistors somewhere in there. Otherwise it's a TS9. It's also shot up in price in the last few years.

The Bad Monkey is a great TS clone. The Bass knob is also a plus. There's a lot of extra circuitry in there, and I honestly don't think the drive on mine sounds as nice as other TS's, but it works great as a boost with the drive turned down and the volume turned up. And you can dial in a little more bass if you need it.

The OD808 has some more circuitry going on than a TS10. But it sounds like a straightforward TS. I've built several Son of Screamer circuits, where the input and output buffers are stripped off and your left with the just the clipping section. A few of those have sounded spot on to the OD808, even though the OD808 has input and output buffers. It's really just component tolerances that do that. The OD808 has also become the boost of choice in metalcore, not because it sounds any different from the other Screamers, but because of word-of-mouth, trendiness, cause Killswitch is using them, etc... You won't notice much of a difference between OD808s in front of your amp and any of the other pedals I've mentioned. At least not one that you also wouldn't notice between other OS808 units.

All of these guys use buffered bypass unless you mod them for TBP, and it's a good buffer that doesn't color your tone. In fact, it's nice to have if you're sticking them in front of a bunch of other TBP pedals.

Any of these pedals will boost a 6505 just as well as the other. I'd avoid the plastic housed models due to potential shielding and reliability issues, unless you can get a good price on one. The TS7 has the hot mode, which is fun, but not useful for using it as a boost. The Bad Monkey's Bass knob is great to have when you're boosting and want less low-end cut. The TS9, TS808, and OD808 are all very well built. If I could only have one, it'd be the OD808 for it's build quality and size.
 
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I went through this same issue with the tube screamer series a few years back. Honestly from trial and error, and a lot of research. When it comes to all these outrageous mods for tube screamers all you are paying for is a person that pulls and replaces a couple parts, and in the end all you do is get ripped off. My best advice to you is buy a TS-808 off ebay, then buy a true bypass mod kit off there as well, and mod it yourself. These kits are $20, they come with instructions on how to do it, all the parts you will need, and it only takes about 2 hours to complete. After it was all said and done, not only was it true bypassed, but it was the best damn clean boost/ overdrive pedal I ever had, and it stood above and beyond all these boutique tube screamer pedals, it even sounded better than the TS-808 Hardwired pedal. DO NOT GET SUCKED INTO THE HYPE!
 
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I went through this same issue with the tube screamer series a few years back. Honestly from trial and error, and a lot of research. When it comes to all these outrageous mods for tube screamers all you are paying for is a person that pulls and replaces a couple parts, and in the end all you do is get ripped off. My best advice to you is buy a TS-808 off ebay, then buy a true bypass mod kit off there as well, and mod it yourself. These kits are $20, they come with instructions on how to do it, all the parts you will need, and it only takes about 2 hours to complete. After it was all said and done, not only was it true bypassed, but it was the best damn clean boost/ overdrive pedal I ever had, and it stood above and beyond all these boutique tube screamer pedals, it even sounded better than the TS-808 Hardwired pedal. DO NOT GET SUCKED INTO THE HYPE!

What research did you do? Theres more to most modded pedals than just a true bypass kit sure if you get the diagrams you can complete one yourself but i dont feel ripped off at all to pay someone for a pedal after they have done the research and taken the time figure out what parts to replace with what. If modded pedals were no different than a TS808 they sure wouldnt sell as many of them as they do.
 
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I surfed the internet, and local buddy who is a repair tech threw my some chips, resistors and diodes and a few mod schematics that a lot of the mod companies out there use to try out on a TS-9RI that I had at the time. While I will say I was happy with the tone of the TS-9 after I replaced the chip and a few other parts, it just did not fulfill me. Honestly that mod I did to that TS-808 RI was by far the best! It opened up a whole new side and tonal spectrum to the pedal. All I did was pulled the J-FET switch and the buffers, and install the true bypass switch, and the cool blue LED and the pedal sounded amazing!
That's cool that you do not feel that you are being ripped off to pay somebody to mod a pedal and what not, but myself on the other hand would rather get in underneath the hood and figure it out myself and find what I like through trial and error, than pay for something that sounds good in an advertisement, only to get it and not be what I expected, and have to deal with returning or selling it and losing money on it. I understand and respect that a lot of people do not have the time or patience to look into modding a pedal. If you think about it only takes 15 mins of practice to learn how to use a soldering iron and it will open a new set of doors for you. If you can wire a pickup to a pot, then you can mod a pedal.
 
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I would suggest checking out the BBE Sound "Green Screamer." Seems to be the same 808 chip (though I could NOT verify that with 100% certainty). It's about 1/2 the price, built solid as could be.. comes with an AC Adapter.. and is ultra quiet even with full on gain settings. Also, it's a TRUE BYPASS switch. You can search YouTube for demos/reviews of it.. don't think you could go wrong with it.

Peter
 
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While i love the ts808 and also the fact they're ridiculously cheap to build. My all time favourite OD for boosting amps for metal has to be the fulltone OCD V3 with a few tweaks here and there to address the high end and the clipping.

It's bigger, tighter and you can get a lot more saturation than you can with a TS also with a lot more range on the tone knob.
 
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