Turning Picks While Strumming?

LazyLightning

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Hi Folks,
Back when I first started playing I began playing a Fender Jazz Base ( yes original, vintage and had no idea till I went to sell it for a guitar set up aprox 9 months later ) Anywho.... I was learning to play bass with fingers instead of a pick ( just loved the sound and flexibility it opened up )

Fast forward I quickly decided I wanted to play guitar, and getting used to a pick took some time. Now picking, be it alternate or other I have no issues. When it comes to any type of strumming, with a gun to my head I would be unable to keep the pick from turning within 30secs. It always turns inward ( towards palm & bridge ) and needless to say it is seriously frustrating. Now I realize A LOT of it may be due to poor technique combined with completely learning how to play all over again. That said I will continue to try and work on my grip so I can keep the pick under better control. I currently use a set of Dunlop .73mm which for what I play is a good in between gauge IMHO!

I do have a few disabilities, one of which is Multiple Sclerosis, which you may or may not know can cause numbness as well as a plethora of other nervous system issues. I don't want to use it as a scapegoat and just continue bad technique, but at what point am I trying to work through something that is literally never gonna happen.

So to shorten this before it gets WAY out of hand, I decided to modify a couple of my current picks. I have taken one of those very thin ( aprox 1mm thick ) rubber textured jar openers, cut out a small dime sized circle and super glued it to the wide my thumb grips.

Before I tried using an emery board to scar up the top of the pick with limited success. I also took a razor and did some crosshatched scoring on both the front and back of a pick ( this helped a bit more, but still ended up turning )

The above mentioned mod with the rubber grip seems to have solved the issue completely.

I am asking for hard honest input/answers, am I taking the easy way around an issue I may conquer with practice, or am I just making the best of the cards dealt ( in respect to the MS )?

If the latter I have found a set of prefabricated pics that just may be exactly what I am looking for:
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Dava-Grip-Tips-Delrin-Medium-108746348-i1123804.gc

The problem I see with theses is the "grip" goes way to far down and may impact playing. The two I have mod'ed I have not let the rubber go below halfway so there is no interference.

I have also heard some with similar issues say that drilling holes in or buying already drilled picks helps dramatically as well.

I still have about 8 of the Dunlop set I have to mod myself, but would love some input from those of you more experienced!

Sorry for the depressingly long post!
Take Care & Hope to hear some helpful feedback soon, you guys have yet to let me down!

TIA

Chris
 
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Re: Turning Picks While Strumming?

Or put some deep scratches on there with a dart or something. Drilling sounds better though, never thought of that.
 
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I'm an advocate of drilling a few holes where you grip the pick.

I will give that a try next then thanks!

Crusty,
As I mentioned above I used a razor and did some deep crosshatched cuts. It works a bit but not as well as I would have liked.
Thanks though!
 
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Some options...

The first one, Pos-A-Grip, I have used extensively - works well, though you may have a try a few different ones. Your situation has some unique factors, but not insurmountable.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/pick-boy-pos-a-grip-black-jazz-guitar-picks-10-pack
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/pick-boy-pos-a-grip-red-polycarbonate-10-pack
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/everly-star-grip-guitar-pick-dozen
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/everly-star-grip-guitar-picks-50-picks
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/dunlop-475-big-stubby-guitar-picks
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/acce...p-jazz-iii-carbon-fiber-guitar-picks--24-pack
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/fred-kelly-picks-delrin-bumblebee-jazz-large-guitar-picks
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/pick-boy-nylon-grip-pick-10-pack
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/zerogravity-orbit-guitar-pick
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/clayton-ultem-flex-pick-standard-6-pack
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/pick-boy-edge-sharp-tip-carbon-nylon-guitar-picks-10-pack
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/acce...lrin-standard-grip-flat-guitar-picks-36-picks
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/fred-kelly-picks-nylon-flat-guitar-picks-36-picks
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/clayton-hexpick-guitar-picks--12-pack
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/clayton-coconut-shell-exotic-picks-3-pack
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/clayton-sheesham-wood-exotic-picks-3-pack
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/clayton-horn-exotic-picks-3-pack?pfm=sp
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/clayton-cork-grip-standard-guitar-pick-6-pack
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/clayton-friday-the-13th-picks-6-pack
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/dava-control-guitar-pick-100-pack
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/dava-master-control-pick?pfm=sp

I'm guessing the single-hole star or hex ones might not work, since that could just be a pivot point for the pick to spin on you. The ones with grips or multiple holes I would expect to work a little better for you. I think you are going to have to get a bunch of different types and try them.


Triangle ones might be good also, that way it doesn't matter if it turns on you.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/acce...ne-triangle-sculpted-plectra-with-grip-3-pack
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/acce...ded-triangle-celluloid-guitar-picks-one-dozen
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/dunlop-tri-stubby-guitar-picks-6-pack
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/dandrea-55-triangle-delrex-delrin-guitar-picks-one-dozen
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/acce...ltem-gold-sharp-triangle-guitar-picks-1-dozen
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/dandrea-pro-plec-rounded-triangle-picks-one-dozen
 
Re: Turning Picks While Strumming?

Crusty,
As I mentioned above I used a razor and did some deep crosshatched cuts. It works a bit but not as well as I would have liked.

The holes work better than abrading the pick's grip area because a tiny bit of fingertip flesh will sink into the holes, from both sides, meaning more force would be required for the pick to be able to rotate.
 
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beaubrummels,
Thanks for the links to potential problem solvers!

Crusty,
I'm sorry I was responding to El Supremo's response and yours and got them switched!
I agree with you completely, the "scored" picks I tried worked poorly. But I do intend to try some holes or clusters of them to see it this helps also.
Sorry about the mix up on my response previously!
 
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Hi
I'm much in the same situation as the OP.
Started playing classical in my teens, went on a hiatus to favor non-music related studies and switched to electric by the time Dire Straits were hitting it big (early 80s), got intrigued by mr. Knopfler's playing and didn't bother much to learn to use a pick, even when I started playing what was supposed to be blues. I basically had the same 'why bother' attitude up to a few years ago, when I got some Hendrix 'signature' picks as a birthday present. The turning point, tho, was getting to play in a band with other guitarists, one of which is quite skilled and experienced.
Thanks to his input, I've begun to use (and lose) my picks on a semi-regular basis, without too many additional issues.
Which brings us to the point...
I pick the strings with one of the rounded ends of the pick, which eliminates any rotary movement along with softening pick attack (which, being used to playing with fingertips/fingernails, is much of a concern), allowing all the same to dig in when needed. In order to reduce the tendency to spin, I've found I'm at ease with 1mm Jim Dunlop picks with a cannabis leaf embossed, which provides a nice steady grip.
Having said this, I'm no shredder at all, but I manage to play consistently enough either using a pick or my fingertips/fingernails.


Andrea
 
Re: Turning Picks While Strumming?

I use Dunlop Tortex .88 & .77 picks mostly. They have a sort of stickiness to them & I rarely drop them. I also play a lot with my fingers & chicken picken is pretty easy with these. But picks are such a personal thing and thy can definitely influence your tone....
 
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crusty philtrum,
I am planning to take out the power drill tonight and try your idea out on 1 or 2 of my .73mm Dunlop Tortex's. Do you have any recommendations on hole diameter as well as how many I should put ( also if a patterned drilling might help also ) at least in your own experience?

Appreciate the help greatly!
 
Hello, I had the exact same problem. But then I realized that there was a simple solution that is really easy, (and since I use duct tape for a lot of stuff...) The solution was duct tape, just take small pieces of it on both sides of your pick on desired place, tada! Try it

Like this!:
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Dunlop jazz III grip pick are also pretty good, but wont solve this problem 100%
 
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Dunlop Gators have more grip than the Tortex, and the Gators are my preferred stage pick--I rarely drop them. I use the 1.14mm gauge for these and the Tortex.

Everly picks have a star-shaped hole in them. The ones I've tried are made of Tortex. The flex a little more than the Dunlop picks of the same thickness, so I don't use them very often.

The material that's used in the V-Picks is very grippy; they're heavy gauge and have great tone. I like them, and I haven't dropped one yet. Another fav is the Graph-Tech Tusq picks.

Finally, I would investigate using a thumb pick. In addition to the traditional Dunlop, National and Golden Gate style, there are some companies that make some variations that are essentially "enhanced" flatpicks.

Best of luck to you.

Bill
 
Re: Turning Picks While Strumming?

Thanks for all the ideas folks, I have something to work with now.

Those cactus picks look interesting, might give them a try as well.

Again,
Thanks everyone!
 
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crusty philtrum,
I am planning to take out the power drill tonight and try your idea out on 1 or 2 of my .73mm Dunlop Tortex's. Do you have any recommendations on hole diameter as well as how many I should put ( also if a patterned drilling might help also ) at least in your own experience?

Appreciate the help greatly!

3 or 4 holes about 1/8" (2.5-3 m.m.) should do the trick. You want them right where your fingertips grip the pick, so the flesh gets into the holes. So to speak.
 
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Have you thought about using a thumb pick? You could grip the thumb pick with your index finger and use it like a normal pick.
 
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Lovegun,
Yes I have considered using one, but I kinda wanted to exhaust all other avenues first. The .73mm Dunlop Tortex that I modified with the dime sized rubber grip has so far been a complete success. It feels a bit weird since it's not a rubber coating, but I quickly got used to that.

I am gonna take 2 of them and drill a few holes in each and see if that works better also. I am interested in trying the cactus picks after reading about them.
 
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Lovegun,
Yes I have considered using one, but I kinda wanted to exhaust all other avenues first. The .73mm Dunlop Tortex that I modified with the dime sized rubber grip has so far been a complete success. It feels a bit weird since it's not a rubber coating, but I quickly got used to that.

Ok. Dunlop makes these thumb picks that are not quite the regular thumb picks. http://www.jimdunlop.com/product/herco-flatthumbpicks
 
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Thanks for the link Lovegun, I will have to check those out if all else fails. Appreciate the help!
 
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