Turser vs Agile

75lespaul

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This is just my experience, for anyone out there who is trying to decide. I bought a Jay Turser Serpent guitar and an Agile AL-2000 at the same time. The price of the Agile used was $150 shipped, and the Turser brand new was $275 shipped.

The Agile: This is my second Agile and my review for the AL-3100 is pretty much identical to this one except the 3100 has A5 mags and a thin sounding bridge pickup. That guitar was also bought used. The 2000 looks great, no sharp edges on the frets, the ceramic pickups sound fine. While they are not in the same league as Duncans, they sit in the band mix great, and the other guys in the band think the guitar sounds fantastic. I'm going to leave the neck pickup as it sings on leads, and that's about all I'll use it for as I'll use another guitar if I need good cleans. I'm replacing the bridge with a Duncan Brobucker. The action is right on, and the feel of the neck is superb. After a little while, I tend to forget I'm not playing a real Gibson LP, but comparing one to the other you will feel and hear differences. At least with my Gibson. I wish every one of you could get themselves an Agile and customize it to your liking. I don't think many of you would be disappointed.

The Turser: This is my second Jay Turser guitar, both of them being bought new. The first was a doubleneck that arrived in such terrible condition both sound and playing wise that I had to have Turser send me another. The one that arrived was a different color (white replacing walnut brown) but it played great and sounded fine. The Serpent guitar arrived looking spectacular. I set it up the way I like it, and the action was great, if not cheap feeling as my other Turser is. The frets have sharp edges, and the low E buzzed almost like a chorus sound. The pickups are weak, and although our bass player thought it sounded fine, the other guitarist and drummer agreed with me that it needed new pickups. After having the guitar a month, the E buzz is worse, and now it is fretting out on bends around the 11th and 12th frets and there are buzzes across the whole first fret and up around the 11th and 12th frets. I've raised the action but nothing helped. I contacted Turser to replace it, but they would not, advising to get a setup. I took a shot. After I sell a few things on eBay to afford it, I'll take it to the tech and see what he says. It is a stunning looking guitar, and I know that with a pickup swap, it will sound great. In the end, I will not regret the purchase AS LONG as the tech can fix the problems and the cost doesn't go through the roof.

That's it. I'm not saying Tursers suck, but if both were in the same condition I'd say the Agile line is hands down the better guitar and not by a small margin either. I love my Turser doubleneck and it is a fun guitar, but they both just have the cheap feel to them where the Agiles do not. The workmanship on the Agiles is lightyears ahead of the Turser as well. Now brand new, my Agiles cost $225 (2000) plus shipping and $399 (3100) plus shipping, and I don't feel that the 3100 is a better guitar than the 2000. They are both fantastic. Just my opinions and I hope I maybe helped someone the way the guys on this forum have been helping me for years.
 
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I still haven't had the pleasure of trying an Agile yet, but I've played a few Tursers and they are indeed "cheap"-feeling and sounding. I agree on the bad frets and the PRS copy I played had a neck that was badly warped and it was only a year old. I'd say at least try an Agile first before buying a Turser. I've read most reviews of Agiles saying they come pretty well set up and playing out-of-the-box. At least you start out with something usable, if you're going for something under the 3000 series. I've really been thinking of a AL-2000 Floyd as my first one, mainly because it uses a maple neck, which I think would be more stable over time, using a Floyd, than mahogany which the 3100 Floyd uses. Either way, I'd change pickups, so I figure I'll save myself the $200 for upgrades rather than buy the 3100 because it has nicer binding and a handful of other advantages.
 
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good review! I need another guitar like I need a hole in the head, but I cant stop itching for an Agile.. Im a fan of good guitar for the money..
 
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good review! I need another guitar like I need a hole in the head, but I cant stop itching for an Agile.. Im a fan of good guitar for the money.. I wish Id have gotten one back when the prices were lower...
 
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I've owned a couple of Agiles. Great guitars for the money. Don't hesitate to buy one. I have this one right now.

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good review! I need another guitar like I need a hole in the head, but I cant stop itching for an Agile.. Im a fan of good guitar for the money.. I wish Id have gotten one back when the prices were lower...

There was a black AL-2000 with gold hardware (same as my Gibson) for $125 in NYC on Craigslist. I had the money, but I just didn't feel like dealing with the NY traffic, looking for a place to park etc. The guitar would have wound up costing me $225 after the gas, tolls, parking etc. It was gone in a day.
 
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The two Turser's that I own are quite the opposite of what you describe. They're both hollowbodies, one full size like an ES-175 and the other thin like an ES-335. After replacing the pups, nuts and a complete wiring/pot overhaul these guitars sound great and play fine. They're both fully bound; neck, headstock and body so no sharp fret edges.

I would agree that the Agile is still a better guitar, period. When I unload the 175 style Turser, I'll probably get an Agile hollow.
 
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The two Turser's that I own are quite the opposite of what you describe. They're both hollowbodies, one full size like an ES-175 and the other thin like an ES-335. After replacing the pups, nuts and a complete wiring/pot overhaul these guitars sound great and play fine. They're both fully bound; neck, headstock and body so no sharp fret edges.

I would agree that the Agile is still a better guitar, period. When I unload the 175 style Turser, I'll probably get an Agile hollow.

I almost bought a Cleopatra before this one, but the guy promised it to me, then sold it. It had been gone over by a tech and everything already.
 
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I've owned a couple of Agiles. Great guitars for the money. Don't hesitate to buy one. I have this one right now.

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I have sooooo came close to buying the Hondo version of that a couple of times...

And I have also played a nice Turser Semi-hollow.
 
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I almost bought a Cleopatra before this one, but the guy promised it to me, then sold it. It had been gone over by a tech and everything already.

That's what I have, the Cleopatra. Not sure what model the ES-175 style is though.
 
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Yeah, I REALLY wanted that Cleopatra, which was purple. It was between the Cleo and the Serpent, and I went with the Cleo. The guy the thing up for auction literally about ten straight times without a bid. I emailed him to see if he would take a money order and I wouldn't bid to save him paypal and eBay fees if he would knock them off the price. This was on Dec 30th, and he said yes. He was supposed to email me his address and kill the auction, but he forgot to he said, and the damn thing SOLD! Ten auctions without a bid, and of course, as soon as I make a deal on it, somone bids, lol. I then went with the Serpent which I have on Craigslist now just to see if someone will bite. If not, I'll eventually have the work done to it as it is a beautiful guitar.

What do you think of the stock pickups?
 
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any negative experiences with turser hollows?

I rewired a turser thinline resonator because it had no buffer for the piezo or a ground for the magnetic neck pickup. It worked better after the rewire. The the guitar was total rubbish just the same. The "resonator" cone was too thick to actually resonate, the frets were sharp and acoustically, it was one of the least satisfying instruments i have tried. It looks good from a distance, but looks in this case a decieving. IMO the Tursers are guitars built for the internet market with a motive simple to sell units, rather than provide musicians with a truly musical intrument. They look good in photos, the specs on paper seem to look good. They seem like good value for money....right up until you actually play one.
While im ranting there are a couple of other companies that have a similar philosphy which id advise anyone to steer clear of:
1. Ashton - very common here in Australia.. For a start there is no "Ashton" - the company decided they needed a two syllable name (like fender, gibson, martin or maton) preferably with N as the last letter. They use the term "designed in australia" but of course these guitars are made in China I dont have any problems with chinese manufacture, but i have an issue with advertising the fact that a company is trying to cash in on the fact that it is australian, but still chooses to manufacture overseas- but thats just philosophy right? The real issue is that the guitars are poorly made, difficult to intonate correctly, tune up or even keep in working order. Total rubbish.
In contrast simple humble brands like Valencia or yamaha make far superior instruments in terms of playabilkity intonation and general build quality for the same price.
2. Martinez - again another company with a similar ethic when it comes to making instruments - but they are big fans for fake flame tops and flashy paint jobs - so for a given price you can get a guitar that looks great from a distance, but will not play or stay in tune.
Jay Turser guitars are made with a similar design philosphy. They and the other companies i mentions build guitars built as cynical marketing excercises with the intent of parting inexperienced or beginner players from their money without providing the basic requirements of a musical instrument such as intonation, tone and build quality.
Theres my rant! i feel better now...
 
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Yes good rant. And another reason why a Company with a funky name like Rondo Music deserves alot of kudos. Bought the 3000 and TC 730 and both easy to play stay in tune and look good. Took me a year of reading reviews and listing to demo's to go and get the 3000.Just could not believe that for 4 bills you could get a real LP sounding guitar. Glad I went and got it. And the Tele was even more ready to play right out of the box.
 
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Yeah, I REALLY wanted that Cleopatra, which was purple. It was between the Cleo and the Serpent, and I went with the Cleo. The guy the thing up for auction literally about ten straight times without a bid. I emailed him to see if he would take a money order and I wouldn't bid to save him paypal and eBay fees if he would knock them off the price. This was on Dec 30th, and he said yes. He was supposed to email me his address and kill the auction, but he forgot to he said, and the damn thing SOLD! Ten auctions without a bid, and of course, as soon as I make a deal on it, somone bids, lol. I then went with the Serpent which I have on Craigslist now just to see if someone will bite. If not, I'll eventually have the work done to it as it is a beautiful guitar.

What do you think of the stock pickups?

You're going to hate me, but I'm pretty sure I was the one who bought it. It was shortly after Xmas that I bought it....sorry

I have no opinion of the stock pups, didn't even bother to try them becuase I had a 59 bridge and Jazz neck waiting for a guitar.
 
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