Unified Church of 5150/6505 Worship

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For owners of these things.

I love how the high gain channel knob (the pre) is so linear! You turn it up a little, you get a little more gain, no big jumps going up or cut-offs when backing down. Up past 8, that compression thing....

Man, what a warm amp. I was feeling naughty for a minute and I super-scooped the lead channel. Still had plenty of mids, punch, bite. It's like settings aren't so important with this amp, it always sounds good.

I've had mine (6505+) for a few days. Just playin away with little or no regard for tweakin or knob-fiddlin or FX. Just guitar->Boss Noise Suppressor->amp. I did try sticking the Boss NS-2 in the loop, and it was as horrifying as with all the other high-gain amps when I tried that. But never mind that just yet.

No other amp I've had has been so plug and play. Every one of them, from good or so-so to great, had knobs that beckoned me: um, maybe a little more of this and a little less of that, then if I crank this here...no...okay how bout this then...--forever. Even my old mighty Bogner was that way for me. Not necessarily a bad thing, mostly just me learning or getting confused by my sonic head trips or things I thought I heard, or the amplifier was complex, or, the way the controls interacted, or--well I don't know! So much about them is hard to quantify, and describe in words.

I don't think I could have appreciated my 6505+ if I hadn't spent so much time with all those other amps. In fact, in the early 90s, I didn't appreciate the 5150. I was too busy going goo-goo ga-ga over the VHTs, Bedrocks, Bogners, Marshall Anniversaries, Soldanos, and so on.

But now, it's like an albatross is no longer hanging around my neck. I feel more free. If I do want something different, I've got another big amp or I can buy something, but meanwhile, I've got a go-to workhorse for practice and composing without that addictive need to fiddle with it; I am no longer a slave to the knobs.


It's more about the music finally.


But here's the point of the thread, the 5150 original/II & 6505 original/+:

How do you guys run them?

What FX? in the front, or in the loop?

What tubes do you like in it?

What cabs do you like for it?

What styles do you play, tunings, what guitars through it?

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What are some of your favorite settings?

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If you share settings, please also share your guitar/style info. I mean if I didn't know that maybe you tune down so that the strings are just flopping, the settings you like might not make sense to me. Though I actually doubt that since the amp sounds confident at any setting.

Do you think, as opposed to other brands or models, that they are pretty consistent from amp to amp? I've only played a few really, and except for one or two, not that much.


What's your favorite specific thing about it? Please decribe, and how it applies.

Thanks Virtual Kevorkian for slappin my head about it. It got me to take a good careful look at it, and I am glad I did. Pleased as I've ever been about any piece of gear I bought.



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Re: Unified Church of 5150/6505 Worship

i have an old 5150 Block Letter version from the early/mid 90's... mine has been toured a lot by various Peavey artists and used in clubs myself a little bit... the cab is in rough shape from roadies of various artists loading it on and off trucks without casters and roadcases... but the head still looks new as it was in a roadcase...

as far as my 5150 set up goes is i use it thru a Marshall 1912 1x12 cab a fair bit... I also use the 5150 4x12 in some cases.... that 1x12 has a 150 watt speaker in it and i'm sure i've come close to blowing it a few times with the 5150 up around halfway open... but for most club gigs that little 1x12 is all the sound i need and it helps keep the soundmen happier without a boomy 4x12.... that cab has been my workhorse for all the heads i use... most times i use the 5150 with a wah and an on/off box for guitar changes.... it turns my cord off so i can pull the cord out... in the FX loop i stick a Boss Flanger or Chorus, and sometimes a Delay... I keep the pedals ontop of the head and use the amps footswitch to turn the FX LOOP on and off.... before some songs i'll turn on the FX's i need for that song and use the amps pedal for turning them on... it can be limiting as you can't pick which pedal to turn on with your foot.. but i like having the pedals ontop of the amp so i can adjust them quickly as i go.... the odd time i'll keep the effects boxes on the floor so i can pick and choose..

i also have a larger set up i use the 5150 with.... about 6 years ago i was in a cover band that was doing a lot of different types of music... blues, 70's radio rock, 80's pop, jazzy stuff to hard rock... weird set list... anyways i needed many different electric sounds and an acoustic sound... so what i ended up doing is a local pro guitarist turned me on to a Canadian rig builder turned retailer.... same guy has some of his buffers and switchers stuff in Alex Lifesons, Slash and EVH's rigs among many others... www.axess-electronics.com Anyways for about $450 i bought an HS-2 Head Switcher... it allowed me to use my 5150 and Classic 50 into a single cab.. that was amazing....

it has some limits as you can not use Delay based FX's in the amps loops as when the head is on standby the delays carry on and could hurt your head while it is on standby.... you also can not use Distortion boxes in front of the HS-2 or amps either.... all it does is allow you to switch heads... for me it worked great... with the 5150 i had all the distortion i needed.. the C50 was my clean channel and a more vintage distortion channel.... Before my HS-2 i used to use a Chorus and a wah even if you are not sopposed to..... For acoustic stuff i used my Godin's Piezo bridge....

but basicly that rig gave me 5 basic tones to work with.... Piezo, C50 Clean, C50 Distorted, 5150 rythym, and 5150 solo... add the wah and chorus and i'm in heaven... I've been looking at Marshall DSL's, TSL's and Vintage Moderns to replace the C50 head with... whatever Marshall i end up with it has to have a good clean channel... but really with Marshall it's all about the dirt anyways i guess..
 
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Re: Unified Church of 5150/6505 Worship

-What FX? in the front, or in the loop?

OD808 -> NS-2 -> amp. Same setup I always run, regardless of amp.

-What tubes do you like in it?

JJ for the most part, but Svetlana winged C's sound killer in the power section.

-What cabs do you like for it?

Mesa oversized is my personal favorite, but they really sound great with any quality cab.

-What styles do you play, tunings, what guitars through it?

Melodic deathmetal, tuned to D. LTD MH400NT (81/85) and Schecter C-1 Stealth (81/nothing), 11-52 strings.


-What are some of your favorite settings?

Lead channel
Gain: 4
Bass: 6-7
Mid: 2
Treble: 3-4
Res: 7-8
Pres: 0 (the presence knob doesn't do anything until it gets to about 8, and then it's just icepick)

-Do you think, as opposed to other brands or models, that they are pretty consistent from amp to amp? I've only played a few really, and except for one or two, not that much.

They're as consistent as any other amp would be... component values will vary a tiny bit, just because of accepted tolerances... but not enough to really notice.

-What's your favorite specific thing about it? Please decribe, and how it applies.

The slight 'give' it has - the really squishy nature of the amp, combined with the midrange voicing and the super smooth top end is absolutely perfect for my style.
 
Re: Unified Church of 5150/6505 Worship

Man I have the JSX combo, and feel about it the way you do about the 6150. Both are great amps.

I run the guitar-Wah-Tube Screamer (TS10)-EVH phase-high input. Then the Boss DD20 delay and chorus is in the loop. Make sure the send/return knobs are pretty high, as it affects volume.

Man the tone is awesome!!!

Bass-5
Mid-5
Treble-6
Rev-4
Presence-5
Resonance-5
gate-6
gain-5-6

Pretty much same settings for both red and amber channels...
 
Re: Unified Church of 5150/6505 Worship

I don't think there is any mystery with regard to the 5150 amp. It's a proven design that was played by the guru of brown for years. It was also played be a legion of other touring guitarsts. It can replace virtually any high gain amp and sound great doing it. I've never owned a 5150 but I've played through a number of them and I've always come away impressed. I've always thought the 5150 was Peavey's masterstroke. A close second is the Classic series.

The new Fender EVH amps are Eddy's flavor of the month but other than being more versatile I really don't think they any better than the 5150. Of course Eddy will tell you different but he's paid to do that.
 
Re: Unified Church of 5150/6505 Worship

I run my 5150 blcok letter head with EH 12AX7's and Svetlana 6L6's. I plug the guitar straight into the high gain input, with a BBE 422A and a Ross 30 band eq in the loop, with the matching 5150 cab. I run the gain around 4 or so, eq is dependent on my mood for the day.
 
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How do you guys run them?
At first, with my Spina SD1 with a level boost, but now I just run straight in.

What FX? in the front, or in the loop?
none, but I have a wah that I will put in the front on rare occasions.

What tubes do you like in it?
JJ through and through. Came with Ruby 6L6 in the power, and they were very stiff and cold.

What cabs do you like for it?
The 6505 at the store made it sound incredibly mean, but I use a Splawn 2x12 with a governor and T75 for a pseudo uberkab sound. Works great. Oh, beam blockers are installed.

What styles do you play, tunings, what guitars through it?
Same as Jeff/VK, but with some thrash in there too

What are some of your favorite settings?
Lead chan
Pre:4-5
Bass:5.5
Mids:3.5
Highs:2-3
Post:3.5
Presence:3-8

Funny thing is, with slower more graceful metal (haha) I use all of the lower settings listed, such as highs at 2 and presence at 3, gain 4, to get that darker and more open tone. With the aggressive stuff, it turn it all back up.

Jeff, I actually find the presence very useful. Lower settings are more loose and older school metal sounds, and with it up its more crunchy on the highs and tighter for a modern sound.

If you share settings, please also share your guitar/style info.
Jackson in D, and a 7 string in E. The Jackson sounds incredibly better than the 7 no matter what, but the 7 has the range.

Do you think, as opposed to other brands or models, that they are pretty consistent from amp to amp?
Couldnt say.

What's your favorite specific thing about it? Please decribe, and how it applies.
The rhythm capabilities. This is why I still have the amp. Wish leads were a little more toneful, and with a more organic clean channel.
 
Re: Unified Church of 5150/6505 Worship

a while ago I saw a concert pic of Steve Morse in front of a wall of 5150s.

he had a big sh*t-eating grin....

In some of the above posts I noticed some OD pedals in front with the amp pre-gain a bit lower than I would have guessed for heavy metal.

how come? what does that get you? does it give you a boost for high notes or something - do you guys solo, have lead fills etc.? Is it clearer that way maybe?

For right now I'm pretty happy just using it with the Pre on 7 or 8 (heck, sometimes 10 if the volume is a bit lower), Post on 3 or 4. I've never owned an OD pedal/unit or distortion pedal/unit. Always just used the amp's.

what would you say the difference is?
 
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The 'screarmer infront thing tightens up the low end, makes the overall tone more compressed/punchy in a good way, smooths out the top end a bit, and adds a good bit of clarity to the sound.

Man... you've got your gain WAY TOO HIGH! I'd never, ever, ever consider going anywhere higher than 5 or 5.5, and that's without a tubescreamer infront. Anywhere past that and it just gets mushy, harsh, and brittle.
 
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Man... you've got your gain WAY TOO HIGH! I'd never, ever, ever consider going anywhere higher than 5 or 5.5, and that's without a tubescreamer infront. Anywhere past that and it just gets mushy, harsh, and brittle.

well? ...it's not

this gave me pause. Makes me wonder if I've got a completely different type of preamp tubes than you (4 JJs, 1 EH, 1 Sovtek). Or our guitars are massively different or we are going for way different sounds? something, cuz...different cabs? all of the above?

I've been playing my Wolfgang hardtail thru it all day, between scary movies, I'm having a scary movie-a-thon, and I'm pretty pleased with the crunch I'm enjoying. Alternate-picked, fast rhythms are very staccato. Leads have a sweetness, kinda golden, even super-high notes; I don't have to switch to the neck pickup nearly as often with this amp unless I want to. My big low chords ring clearly, and if I chunk away on em they aren't flabby and don't just go "blooge." My major thirds have the grind I like. Best of all, and I've been missing this in an amp, even with the NS-2 I have lots of fat sustain, with harmonic overtones creeping in before any feedback does, so I can shake em and control the moan, sort of like a Santana/Gary Moore thing, and then go right back to the machine-gun Decapitated sorta stuff without touching a knob on guitar or amp. And that's with the presence up quite a bit, too!

Dude, I've been rejoicing! That's why I started the Church thread. Man, I'm giving praise!

In fact, except for the XXX, where the gains never went past 6, I've run the gain up pretty high on every amp I've had! Including all 3 Marshalls. The TSL 100 has a lot of gain, too. That old Bogner of mine had more gain and more balls than any other amp that I know of, and the lead channel gain usually sat at 7.

I'm thinking we've got some differences in tubes, cabs, guitars and styles!

Perhaps if I stood in front of yer amp I'd discover something new, but, I think I'm kickin' out the jams fairly well this fine day!


...and my Moog phaser just arrived at the store! can't wait to try it with this amp and see if the level/drive knobs can function as a nice booster! Then, maybe a Holy Grail, or a DD-6/20, or the TC-Electronics Delay, or, fudge it, the Moog Analog Delay!

I think I read somewhere that you said the G-Major unit could switch channels on this amp? May have to check into that....

be happy for me man, I'm having a good time, and I'm able to focus on notes more than knobs for the first time in quite a while. Honest, I think it's sounding pretty good :banana:
 
Re: Unified Church of 5150/6505 Worship

I never let the gain on my XXX go anywhere above 3, with a tubescreamer.


Honestly, I don't think the differences you're citing are going to make up for the massive amounts of clarity and definition you're loosing with the gain up that high.

I've got 3 JJ's and 3 EH's in the preamp section, run 81's in the bridge, and play through a Mesa cab.

Lower the gain and pick harder... you'll thank me later.
 
Re: Unified Church of 5150/6505 Worship

fershizzle

I'm just not one for distortion stompboxes/units. Don't feel like changing the technique I've developed for 25 years so I can use one. My settings are different than yours, different cabs, I'm happy with my sound thru the amp, which is why I got it. Perhaps we're going after different things. Thanks fer the input though

However...I did hear a metalcore pedal thru a Fender the other day, and it was pure metal....
 
Re: Unified Church of 5150/6505 Worship

Again, it's not settings, cabinets, guitars, etc... I've yet to hear a metal amp where lowering the gain a bit and picking harder didn't make it sound better.

That said, I'm on my fourth 5150... I know these things like the back of my hands. I've run them through almost every cabinet with 12's imaginable, and with more guitars than I'd care to count. At least TRY lowering the gain to 5 or something a bit more sane.
 
Re: Unified Church of 5150/6505 Worship

I think he is right in general gain is a thing where more isn't necesserily better! Especially with high output pickups. But if you like it best that way then thats your thing but you should try with less gain and see how you like it (especially in a band situation)
 
Re: Unified Church of 5150/6505 Worship

let me get this straight


if I turn down the distortion the sound will have less distortion?



sheesh. My mistake for naming this thread the "Church." Of course I've tried his settings.
 
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