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Well give me a Floyd with a big Brass or Titanium Block any day and I'm good. Of course I would never hang my guitar by the wang bar though.
 
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JB's guitar tech almost certainly carries plenty of spares.
 
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2 years? You must be the Chuck Norris of whammers ;). Got any shots of the wear? Or have you already tossed it out in disgust?
 
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The vibrato bridge on the Fender Jeff Beck signature Stratocaster is closer to the Deluxe American model. Solid, machined stainless steel saddle blocks rather than compressed powder ones.

On my Nineties Am Std Strat, I followed the advise on the Callaham website and upgraded the more critical parts.

You're trying to say GOTOH made POWDERED ZINC BRIDGES??????? C'mon, seriously, prooflink please. Or it ain't so. I got me some 40yo gotoh tuners that still hold better than anything new, and that's just the really old example, ALL gotoh gear from the 70s 80s 90s 00s and 2010s I've ever seen was made with real pride and integrity, and zero BS like that.
 
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It is the standard US saddles I think he talking about:)
Gotoh has made all kinds of stuff, factories orders stuff and they make it, got a Zinc bridge here in a box, came out of an old Tokai seventies alike strat, that is a onepiece of zinc, funny enough is that zinc is more expensive than steel.
But their regular lines are really sweet for sure.
 
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You're trying to say GOTOH made POWDERED ZINC BRIDGES??????? C'mon, seriously, prooflink please. Or it ain't so. I got me some 40yo gotoh tuners that still hold better than anything new, and that's just the really old example, ALL gotoh gear from the 70s 80s 90s 00s and 2010s I've ever seen was made with real pride and integrity, and zero BS like that.

ROFLMAO....you tout the original Ibanez edge trems as massively superior to everything else, 24/7 and regardless of whether it`s on topic or not, yet you obviously haven`t the slightest clue what the baseplate is made of?? :chairfall

I can no longer take anything you say seriously. Period. Your credibility just said "Adieu" and shot itself in the face with a 12 guage :lmao::laugh2:
 
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Very simple: it`s a SIGNATURE guitar. It is made to the specs that Jeff Beck prefers, NOT to any other specs. Which is exactly the way a signature guitar should be. You`re not paying for top of the line hardware and yaddayadda, you`re paying to have as close to a 1:1 copy of JBs guitar as you can.

If it were any different, EVH`s striped series would be available with tune-o matics, Les Pauls would be available with a Strat body shape, the PRS Santana would have a huge 12000$ dragon inlay and a copy of Clapton`s Blackie would be green ;)

Speaking of Santana, what do you think of the PRS Santana Signature guitar?
 
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I bought my first Strat in '87. It's whammy STILL works as it did the day I got it. What the heck are you guys doing the wear it out?
 
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Speaking of Santana, what do you think of the PRS Santana Signature guitar?

I think nothing of it, in the sense of I don`t care for PRS all that much, so I have no desire to even test drive someone`s signature model, and therefore can not coment positively or negatively.
 
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Well I been playing with my wang bar since I was 14 ain't wore out yet but gets sore from time to time if I use it too much in one day.
 
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Uh, kids, first, some facts, then metallurgy & materials science 101 time here:

1) Fender USA hardware = Gotoh, the lot of it. MIJ, not America. Sadly, the cheaper lines, but still.

2) materials time: POWDERED zinc is the crap you see when you break one of those Chinese crome-plated solid looking pocket knives or can openers or whatnot, and on the inside, it looks like *volcanic rock* under the chrome. Or, in other words, like this compressed sandish looking crap that's fused together, but not properly cast.

3) methodology, metallurgy 101: casting (NOT machining, powdered zinc can't be machined) takes a lotta heat to melt a metal to liquid. That means facilities, energy costs, reliable electricity hookups, etc. What the Chinese do instead is have a properly equipped plant churn out the powder and sell it to small business, which then LITERALLY "casts" stuff OVER CAMPFIRES and the like. Open air great outdoors stone age-level tech. UNFORTUNATELY, that means the zinc don't fuse properly. The powder is just formed together into a shape and heated through incompletely to "catch", but is still fugly, brittle as all hell, and cheap.

4) BUT - add chrome and it looks nice-like... that's the cheapo powdered zinc. It falls apart

5) PROPER ZINC: fully cast, then machined. Making it some high-tech stuff with cool applications. IIRC, the Soviet Union made tank armour with it.

6) On Ibanez LoPro Edge trems: children, powdered zinc don't last 5-10 years in a freaking SPOON - can't make one of the more bulletproof trems out there, either. It also can't stay sharp (it does), last 20+ years (check), and look perfect after all that time.... as to using zinc proper in a multi-alloy hitech device that doesn't spare any expense and contains like 4 or 5 different metals/alloys (visibly so) each in a specific place to spec to do its specific job best, that's a whole other story. Ain't nothing wrong with zinc, long as it ain't made over a campfire in junkyard or refugee camp somewhere (youtube it).

7) Powdered zinc products also don't cost $300 just for a part... see GFS's $12 tremolo bridges if you're looking for that.


ROFLMAO....you tout the original Ibanez edge trems as massively superior to everything else, 24/7 and regardless of whether it`s on topic or not, yet you obviously haven`t the slightest clue what the baseplate is made of??

I tout lotsa stuff I like. Especially if it survives 20-40 years where other stuff craps out in 5. Now, with the enlightenment gained from my little lesson above, go forth an seek *powdered* zinc (judging unpowdered properly cast then machined stuff for it is like giving German or Japanese steel flak for how Chinese pot metal fares). Seek this powdered zinc in an Ibanez LoPro Edge, do go ahead. And, once you find it, TEST IT.

SHOULD BE SIMPLE ENOUGH: take off, take into two hands, AND SNAP IN TWO. EASILY.

..WELL??? Didya do it?????????????????? THOUGHT SO. Can't be done. Ooopsies.

Charvel/Jackson fan, eh? Do we detect some green envy from a Takeuchi owner, perhaps? Now *those* were ugly, badly made licensed's with no constructive modifications or additions to the design spec, using suspect materials, prone to falling apart, and leaving you wondering how the heck that could've come out of Japan....

PS don't particularly expect it, but you owe me an apology. respect others, respect yourself.
 
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You´ve never actually seen an Ibanez Edge bridge up close, have you?:laugh2:

6) On Ibanez LoPro Edge trems: children, powdered zinc don't last 5-10 years in a freaking SPOON - can't make one of the more bulletproof trems out there, either.
And that`s why I have Schaller AND Edge trems from the Mid 80s that still work fine, because cast zinc magically dissolves after 5-10 years, right?

It also can't stay sharp (it does),
That`s why both the Schaller and the Edge have HARDENED STEEL INSERTS for the knife edges. Fact.

last 20+ years (check),
See previous answer

and look perfect after all that time
There are so many environmental and production factors affecting corrosion, most importantly the thickness of the plating, that the underlying material is irrelevant. That`s why they`re electrocoated or blued in the first place.

And actually, there are a LOT of things wrong with zinc, especially when it`s heated to the point of oxidation. Zinc oxides are both nerve agents AND highly carcinogenic, which is why welders are taught to free the joints and surrounding areas of any coatings, ESPECIALLY zinc, before welding. The IWS guidelines actually say that you shouldn`t weld ANYthing with ANY zinc on it, anywhere.

If I had an edge to spare, I`d mill half the baseplate away just to prove to you in a single picture what so many thousands of words apparently can`t, that it`s made of cast zinc.

Re: Metallurgy / Methodology: Casting of powdered materials is NOT done with heat at all, but by pressure alone. Through the amount of pressure, you can directly control the porosity of the final result, as that pressure creates the necessary heat to fuse the pellets together. You can create anything from an air filter to a cannonball, just by changing the pressure. Your assumption that companies such as Schaller and Gotoh who buy their zinc in bulk as powder are using "chinese campfire zinc" shows a complete and thoruough lack of actual knowledge about both the manufacturing technique and the material`s physical properties. I know for a fact that both Schaller and Gotoh cast their baseplates themselves, because I have personally witnessed the machines during factory tours.

Ordering precast stuff from china as you imply is a complete waste of money, because once cast the material has to be re-ground to powder to be able to cast it again.

Serouisly dude, it is painfully obvious to even the most uninformed onlooker that you are completely outmatched and out of your element here. I alone have >20 years experience as a luthier and >10 years in metal fabrication, and I am not the only one ripping every post you make to shreds, leaving only "BS, pseudo-fact, BS, personal agenda, BS, hearsay, BS" when the dust settles....

You need to quit while you`re ahead, and in the future I recommend you thoroughly research your statements before pressing "send". Because the truth doesn`t change just because you don`t believe it and decide to parrot someone else`s BS instead. ;)

Charvel/Jackson fan, eh? Do we detect some green envy from a Takeuchi owner, perhaps? Now *those* were ugly, badly made licensed's with no constructive modifications or additions to the design spec, using suspect materials, prone to falling apart, and leaving you wondering how the heck that could've come out of Japan....

PS don't particularly expect it, but you owe me an apology. respect others, respect yourself.

You truly don`t have the slightest clue who you`re talking to, that is very apparent. Nor do I need to prove anything to you, as you won`t believe it anyway.

APOLOGY?? ROFL?

You have been spewing BS about this trem and other things since the day you signed up on this forum, regardless of whether it`s on topic or not. I have not attacked you personally at any time, but have regularly called you out on your senseless drivel, especially in those threads such as the ESP project thread where nobody cares about it to begin with and you attempted to use it as a vehiche to dis another member`s project.

You on the other hand suddenly feel the need to assume things about my person that have nothing to do with the truth and can not be deduced from my statements (unlike your statements about the Ibanez edge, which very much do point to you having little if any firsthand knowledge of the unit), solely because you think that you have a remote chance of even scratching the armor of experience and knowledge, thereby somehow making my statements less true in your mind.

And that is the point where I say things that ARE disrespectful, and mean them. Like the following:

Get a clue, or shut up, or **** off. We have enough trolls already. ;)

Best Regards

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To everybody else: please excuse this most idiotic and unnecessary excursion to Trollburg, but at some point enough is enough. People come here to learn things, not be misled and propagandized by people with less than rudimentary knowledge of the subject matter at hand. It contradicts the entire purpose of the forum, and I don`t think I`m the only one that has a problem with it, as evidenced by other`s posts in this and other threads, and I most certainly have no problem leading a charge, even if I´m alone.

Again, my sincere apologies to everybody else for wasting your time. :beerchug:
 
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Dude, you're MISSING THE POINT (and still doing it in the most boorish, rude fashion imaginable): it ain't zinc that's bad, it's the "pressed granules of zinc, lightly toasted" method of manufacturing cheap zinc items that's bad. Zinc (melted down, to full-on liquid state phase change, poured, and cast that way) itself is perfectly good. Also nice against dandruff, see ingredients of shampoos :) aaah oh no gonna get cancer from head and shoulders and vitamin pills now?

Carcinogen panic your thing? Haha, coupled with the aggro mega rant, I'm starting to get a nice good picture of your personality. Emotional overreactions much?

...ANYWAYS, wasn't this here A THREAD ABOUT *GOTOH* stuff and its quality, before someone (i.e. YOU) derailed that into a personal agenda? Without, might I add, answering the relevant question about whether or not Gotoh ever did use the manufacturing shortcuts that others are known for.

Moving on to Gotoh? No? Trolling much more fun for you, perhaps? Go comment some youtube videos. Geez.
 
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Why did I know you would just have to get in the last word? :chairfall

Practice reading comprehension, then you may eventually be worth my time some day, as none of what you just stated was said or nor implied, nor have I said anything that cannot be verified independently within minutes. And you`re still completely ignoring the proven facts that tear everything you have said to shreds. Improve your rhetorical and research skills to at least a middle school level, without resorting to petty, juvenile personal digs with no basis in reality when you`ve been served. Until then, you`re dead to me.

"Wenn man keine Ahnung hat, einfach mal Fresse halten."

/discussion as far as I`m concerned, so feel free to have the last word as often as you please from this point on.

PS: this was not a thread about Gotoh, and I see no need to parrot the posts of others that contain the answers .. so much for reading comprehension. ;)
 
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