Very hot, modern-sounding humbucker with traditional screw pieces/metal cover look?

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I'm looking to replace the bridge pickup in a mongrel parts build I have. Swamp ash body, bolt-on baseball bat-thick maple neck with rosewood fretboard, 24.75" scale with a tune-o-matic bridge. So it's not as bright and thin as your typical Fender, but it's still nowhere near as warm as a Gibson-type guitar, either. Currently has three humbuckers and a single 500k volume control with a treble bleed mod. The middle and neck pickups sound absolutely perfect as they are, so I don't want to be doing anything which will effect their tone.

Right now this guitar has a JB in the bridge and I think it sounds utterly awful. The extreme bass and treble is too 'soft' and it doesn't have enough output. Essentially, the EQ balance is the exact opposite of what I'm after.

My big issue is that whatever pickup I put in needs to have a nickel/chrome cover, as all three pickups currently have. So that instantly takes out things like Invaders, Parallel Axis, Super Distortions, etc. Whatever I buy has to be available with metal covers and regular screw pole pieces, i.e. the classic PAF humbucker look.

The closest thing I have to my perfect tone at the moment, in other guitars, is a Full Shred. However it lacks the raw output I'm after, even with it very close to the strings, and it's in a Les Paul, which obviously has a much fuller tone. I'm sure in this guitar a Full Shred would be too weak (not to mention it's not available with a metal cover other than as a floor shop custom, which I can't easily order here.)

From looking around other threads, it seems like my best/only options are going to be an Alternative 8, Custom or Distortion. I would like to stick with SDs so the wiring is all nice and consistent, plus I can get Duncans for almost half the price of DiMarzios and almost a third of the price of any custom hand-wound thing.

I use my volume control to set my clean-distorted rhythm tones exclusively (with an overdrive for leads), so there's got to be a lot of range there, i.e. lots of maximum output. I also like the extreme treble and bass to be really strong in relation to the mids, because I use Orange and Marshall amps which obviously already have pretty strong mids anyway (and I hate scooping the mids out at the amp; just pisses away volume as far as I care).

So, which of those three has the most output? And which has the strongest treble and bass? Or is there another, more appropriate model I'm missing?
 
Re: Very hot, modern-sounding humbucker with traditional screw pieces/metal cover loo

custom or distortion is what you want. custom will be fuller and warmer and more powerfull low end. Distortion will be hotter, have a more cutting treble response and it will be more of a shredding tone. Both are great but different delivery. Both will do metal or rock fine.

i dont prefer the JB either but the way you described it, that doesnt fit my experience with that pickup at all
 
Re: Very hot, modern-sounding humbucker with traditional screw pieces/metal cover loo

Dude I really have to recommend the Black Winter here. Even more power and treble detail than the Distortion, and it's surprisingly amazing for cleans. It's an all around more versatile pickup and exactly what you're describing.
 
Re: Very hot, modern-sounding humbucker with traditional screw pieces/metal cover loo

I like the diea of the Black Winter when I saw it announced, as I have a bit of a soft spot/guilty pleasure for over-the-top scandinavian metal, but it's not available with a nickel cover, so it's out for this guitar.

Does seem, from what I can tell, the Distortion is looking to be the best fit of those available.
 
Re: Very hot, modern-sounding humbucker with traditional screw pieces/metal cover loo

Can a cover be put on a Black Winter, either by Duncan or by you?
 
Re: Very hot, modern-sounding humbucker with traditional screw pieces/metal cover loo

Dimarzio Steve's Special.
 
Re: Very hot, modern-sounding humbucker with traditional screw pieces/metal cover loo

I believe you can put a cover on it yourself though right?
 
Re: Very hot, modern-sounding humbucker with traditional screw pieces/metal cover loo

Somebody more skilled than I probably could, sure. Me? Not a chance. I have no means of potting the pickup after putting a cover on and I don't fancy risking an unpotted cover at the volumes I regularly play at. I know SD will put covers on almost any pickup as a shop floor custom option, but where I live that's not something which can be easily ordered; when I previously looked into getting a Full Shred with a cover, for a different guitar, it ended up costing more than three times what a run-of-the-mill pickup would have. I regularly curse North America and the cost and ease with which you can order custom stuff from these sorts of companies.

I had the Steve's Special in another guitar and I know it's not quite right. It's actually what I replaced with the Full Shred; I found the Steve's Special to be even weaker.

Perhaps, if the Custom/Distortion/Alt 8s aren't going to nail it, it may be a question of saving up and splashing out on a custom wind. Hate wasting money but nobody seems very convinced that any of the common options will do what I'm after.
 
Re: Very hot, modern-sounding humbucker with traditional screw pieces/metal cover loo

Somebody more skilled than I probably could, sure. Me? Not a chance. I have no means of potting the pickup after putting a cover on and I don't fancy risking an unpotted cover at the volumes I regularly play at. I know SD will put covers on almost any pickup as a shop floor custom option, but where I live that's not something which can be easily ordered; when I previously looked into getting a Full Shred with a cover, for a different guitar, it ended up costing more than three times what a run-of-the-mill pickup would have. I regularly curse North America and the cost and ease with which you can order custom stuff from these sorts of companies.

I had the Steve's Special in another guitar and I know it's not quite right. It's actually what I replaced with the Full Shred; I found the Steve's Special to be even weaker.

Perhaps, if the Custom/Distortion/Alt 8s aren't going to nail it, it may be a question of saving up and splashing out on a custom wind. Hate wasting money but nobody seems very convinced that any of the common options will do what I'm after.

Then I'd go with the Distortion frankly. Hits the nail on the head.
 
Re: Very hot, modern-sounding humbucker with traditional screw pieces/metal cover loo

^Not available to EU countries, unless I order through a local store which then adds on its own cut. Not to mention the import fees. When shop floor customs cost three times what a normal SD costs, I dread to think what a full Custom Shop wind would set me back.

Again, it drives me absolutely insane how so many guitar/amp/pedal/parts companies either don't have their extended options available to the EU, or when they do it always comes with 50-200% markup.
 
Re: Very hot, modern-sounding humbucker with traditional screw pieces/metal cover loo

Myself plus a whole bunch more people here would be happy to take delivery and ship it to you. Up to you. You can check out the good trader thread etc and know that noone is gonna scam you.
 
Re: Very hot, modern-sounding humbucker with traditional screw pieces/metal cover loo

Extreme bass and treble? You just described the Duncan Custom.
 
Re: Very hot, modern-sounding humbucker with traditional screw pieces/metal cover loo

Somebody more skilled than I probably could, sure. Me? Not a chance. I have no means of potting the pickup after putting a cover on and I don't fancy risking an unpotted cover at the volumes I regularly play at.
I'm a virgin at potting - if I buy a potted pickup, and put a cover on it, I have to pot the cover also? I too play with rock level PAs, and I just bought a APH-1n and SH-11 (which I believe are potted), and was considering putting covers on - does the step of putting covers on requite another potting?
 
Re: Very hot, modern-sounding humbucker with traditional screw pieces/metal cover loo

Honestly, I'd go with a Demon and add an EMG active boost circuit.
 
Re: Very hot, modern-sounding humbucker with traditional screw pieces/metal cover loo

Have you thought about the Gibson 500T? When I think of hot...

Or an active boost circuit.

Bill
 
Re: Very hot, modern-sounding humbucker with traditional screw pieces/metal cover loo

I'm looking to replace the bridge pickup in a mongrel parts build I have. Swamp ash body, bolt-on baseball bat-thick maple neck with rosewood fretboard, 24.75" scale with a tune-o-matic bridge. So it's not as bright and thin as your typical Fender, but it's still nowhere near as warm as a Gibson-type guitar, either. Currently has three humbuckers and a single 500k volume control with a treble bleed mod. The middle and neck pickups sound absolutely perfect as they are, so I don't want to be doing anything which will effect their tone.

Right now this guitar has a JB in the bridge and I think it sounds utterly awful. The extreme bass and treble is too 'soft' and it doesn't have enough output. Essentially, the EQ balance is the exact opposite of what I'm after.

My big issue is that whatever pickup I put in needs to have a nickel/chrome cover, as all three pickups currently have. So that instantly takes out things like Invaders, Parallel Axis, Super Distortions, etc. Whatever I buy has to be available with metal covers and regular screw pole pieces, i.e. the classic PAF humbucker look.

The closest thing I have to my perfect tone at the moment, in other guitars, is a Full Shred. However it lacks the raw output I'm after, even with it very close to the strings, and it's in a Les Paul, which obviously has a much fuller tone. I'm sure in this guitar a Full Shred would be too weak (not to mention it's not available with a metal cover other than as a floor shop custom, which I can't easily order here.)

From looking around other threads, it seems like my best/only options are going to be an Alternative 8, Custom or Distortion. I would like to stick with SDs so the wiring is all nice and consistent, plus I can get Duncans for almost half the price of DiMarzios and almost a third of the price of any custom hand-wound thing.

I use my volume control to set my clean-distorted rhythm tones exclusively (with an overdrive for leads), so there's got to be a lot of range there, i.e. lots of maximum output. I also like the extreme treble and bass to be really strong in relation to the mids, because I use Orange and Marshall amps which obviously already have pretty strong mids anyway (and I hate scooping the mids out at the amp; just pisses away volume as far as I care).

So, which of those three has the most output? And which has the strongest treble and bass? Or is there another, more appropriate model I'm missing?

EMG Het Set? J/k
 
Re: Very hot, modern-sounding humbucker with traditional screw pieces/metal cover loo

Try Bare Knuckle, they've got nickle (or other) covers available on almost every pickup they make. From what I see, a Miracle Man might be up your alley.
 
Re: Very hot, modern-sounding humbucker with traditional screw pieces/metal cover loo

Try Bare Knuckle, they've got nickle (or other) covers available on almost every pickup they make. From what I see, a Miracle Man might be up your alley.

Yep. If you email Tim with what guitar you have and what you are looking for, he has the uncanny ability to suggest a model that will nail what you want.


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