Very Tempted to Buy this Cab

[Kais]

Found a local deal on an avatar 2x12 cab loaded with greenbacks for $210. It's so tempting to buy, that's a steal for that price.


I just bought an avatar cab for ~$450 with a v30 and a g12h30. Wish I would've found this deal earlier, greenbacks are usually more expensive anyway.

Do you all think if I buy the greenback cab and decide to sell one cab later I could? Or would I be like this guy and continually lower the price until who knows when?

 

[SongsForTheDeaf]

Re: Very Tempted to Buy this Cab

Sounds like a good deal but it is only a 50 watt cab which would turn me off of it but if you are running lower wattage heads it is a pretty good deal.

 

[Agileguy_101]

Re: Very Tempted to Buy this Cab

Depends. Would you be in a rush to sell it (rent due, bills to pay, etc)? If not then get it. If you need to sell one then you can wait to get your asking price.

 

[Kais]

Re: Very Tempted to Buy this Cab

Sounds like a good deal but it is only a 50 watt cab which would turn me off of it but if you are running lower wattage heads it is a pretty good deal.

Depends. Would you be in a rush to sell it (rent due, bills to pay, etc)? If not then get it. If you need to sell one then you can wait to get your asking price.

would it be a problem that the cab is only 50 watts, and my head is 60 watts? I just shouldn't turn up the volume to 10, and I'll be good right?

 

[Agileguy_101]

Re: Very Tempted to Buy this Cab

would it be a problem that the cab is only 50 watts, and my head is 60 watts? I just shouldn't turn up the volume to 10, and I'll be good right?

It depends on the amp. But basically I wouldn't recommend turning the amp up the point where the volume ceases to increase. Remember, tube amps actually put out more wattage than they're rated for. If your head is 60 watts I wouldn't recommend it. Sounds like a recipe for blown speakers. However, the cab is cheap enough that you could get it and trade/sell the GB's for something that will work with your amp and it'd still be a good deal.

 

[Kais]

Re: Very Tempted to Buy this Cab

It depends on the amp. But basically I wouldn't recommend turning the amp up the point where the volume ceases to increase. Remember, tube amps actually put out more wattage than they're rated for. If your head is 60 watts I wouldn't recommend it. Sounds like a recipe for blown speakers. However, the cab is cheap enough that you could get it and trade/sell the GB's for something that will work with your amp and it'd still be a good deal.

ah yeah, I have a Marshall TSL60. So I'd probably blow that 50 watt cab? That's interesting.

I really want to try greenback's with my head tho, but it seems like all greenbacks are 25w. How would I get them to work with my head, with a 4x12 cab?

 

[zzmoore]

Re: Very Tempted to Buy this Cab

Buy the cab.!
Pull the Green Stickers, and sell the cab...or the other way around...but you will loose less on that other cab.
or
Keep both cabs and speakers, and run the 2 as a 4x12 like you were saying.

Agileguy is correct of course...you will be walking a fine line. But you could give it a shot... if you can afford to.
You might be able to run your amp at the half way mark for years and years.
For safety sake, you may want to assume 50-60 Watts with your amp on 5 (5 out of 10).
How much money do you have, and how lucky do you feel.?
Anybody compare those.? I want to say the GB's are a bit less efficient than your V30-H30 combo. You may take a volume hit when playing into just the 2xGB.
I still say to give it a go.....
assuming impedance, etc etc

 

[Agileguy_101]

Re: Very Tempted to Buy this Cab

There are higher wattage Greenback clones. Eminence makes one, though I can't remember which one of them is the greenback. Weber also makes higher wattage clones, and I've heard nothing but good about Weber speakers.

 

[dystrust]

Re: Very Tempted to Buy this Cab

There are higher wattage Greenback clones. Eminence makes one, though I can't remember which one of them is the greenback. Weber also makes higher wattage clones, and I've heard nothing but good about Weber speakers.

Private Jack, rated at 50W.

 

[Kais]

Re: Very Tempted to Buy this Cab

that sounds like another option, getting 1 or 2 eminence private jack speakers instead of the gb's, then slapping those into my cab.

I'll think about the cab some more. Thanks all for the responses.

 

[Kais]

Re: Very Tempted to Buy this Cab

Private Jack, rated at 50W.

actually, is the eminence gb128 a closer clone of the greenback? This is the difference with the private jack and gb128 according to eminence.com

EDIT: Nevermind, looks like the gb128 were the first attempt at a clone, then the private jack's the newest effort.

What are the differences in tonality between the Legend GB12 and Private Jack?

The Legend GB12 is a speaker with distinctive British tonal characteristics that are often associated with Vox or Marshall products. It has many of the qualities of the Private Jack, but is much warmer and smoother, lending a little more bottom end. Private Jack has all of the same great qualities of other well-known vintage British speakers including thick mids, an extended top end, and the controlled break-up you would expect from a classic British speaker.

 

[zzmoore]

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I like just about any Eminence better than its similar Celestion...and the GB12 is one of my favorites, from a Tweed Deluxe to a 50 watt plexi.
But they are not a clone.
Resonant frequency is 12 Hertz difference, the magnet is 2 Oz heavier, and the GB12 is about 5-6 dB louder. It is not a clone by any means.
As long as that is not an issue, I would go with what the guys have mentioned to you. Eminence is a much better deal (money wise) than the Celestions. You will be pleased when you look at the cost of buying two Private Jack or GB12.....or one of each
good luck

 

[dystrust]

Re: Very Tempted to Buy this Cab

The most important difference I noticed between Private Jacks and Greenbacks have to do with their reaction to more power. GBs tend to get kind of mushy as you push more signal, whereas Private Jacks get tighter. These days I'll take an Eminence Red Coat over a new Celestion any day.

 

[zzmoore]

Re: Very Tempted to Buy this Cab

You guys are probably right.....in the end, he will probably be a lot happier with a Pair of Eminence Legend or Red Coat than those pair of Celestions.
Especially if he ends up having to buy a pair of NEW GB ($$$) to get a comfortable power rating for his 60 Watt head.
Eminence really has their shot together with those Patriot and Red Coat series.
I have a pair of Tonespotters...wish the OP could demo them with his head for a month or two, I would be real curious to see what he thinks.
Anyway.....back The OP.......

 

[Kais]

Re: Very Tempted to Buy this Cab

The most important difference I noticed between Private Jacks and Greenbacks have to do with their reaction to more power. GBs tend to get kind of mushy as you push more signal, whereas Private Jacks get tighter. These days I'll take an Eminence Red Coat over a new Celestion any day.

You guys are probably right.....in the end, he will probably be a lot happier with a Pair of Eminence Legend or Red Coat than those pair of Celestions.
Especially if he ends up having to buy a pair of NEW GB ($$$) to get a comfortable power rating for his 60 Watt head.
Eminence really has their shot together with those Patriot and Red Coat series.
I have a pair of Tonespotters...wish the OP could demo them with his head for a month or two, I would be real curious to see what he thinks.
Anyway.....back The OP.......

Decisions decisions. You all speak very highly of the private jacks, enough to sway me in that direction. Especially with the power being higher, and the price lower. If I don't take the cab deal, I'll simply buy 2 new private jack's for my cab.

The hellatone 30 and 60 combo is very nice, but it has a lot of bass. I wanted a thick tone, but this is a bit too thick. I know GB's has less bass than the hellatones, so that's one thing I'm really looking forward too.

In a perfect world, I could just sell my cab and call it a day.

 

[dystrust]

Re: Very Tempted to Buy this Cab

If bass response is a worry, you may want to look at different Redcoat models. I first tried Private Jacks with my Jubilee head, but they had too much bass response. I switched to Wizards because I've always liked how the Jubilee sounded through G12H30s. You may also want to check out the Guv'nor which I hear is similar to a V30.

 

[Zombiwoof]

Re: Very Tempted to Buy this Cab

Decisions decisions. You all speak very highly of the private jacks, enough to sway me in that direction. Especially with the power being higher, and the price lower. If I don't take the cab deal, I'll simply buy 2 new private jack's for my cab.

The hellatone 30 and 60 combo is very nice, but it has a lot of bass. I wanted a thick tone, but this is a bit too thick. I know GB's has less bass than the hellatones, so that's one thing I'm really looking forward too.

In a perfect world, I could just sell my cab and call it a day.

With a 30 watt and a 60 watt speaker, you'd still only have 60 watts power handling, as the power is not additive in a 2-12 with different wattage speakers, it's actually twice the wattage of the lower wattage speaker, or 2x30=60 watts. Still not quite enough for an amp rated at 60 watts that will produce much more when cranked.

Al

 

[SongsForTheDeaf]

Re: Very Tempted to Buy this Cab

Celestion makes a high powered greenback too.. the Creamback which is rated at 75 watts if I remember correctly

 

[75lespaul]

Re: Very Tempted to Buy this Cab

Celestion makes a high powered greenback too.. the Creamback which is rated at 75 watts if I remember correctly

It looks like there are two versions of the creamback; one 75 and one 65 watts. Gearjoneser loves his. By the way, I ran a 60 watt Univox amp for many years with a G12H30/V30 2x12 and never had a problem. Non master amp with the volumes set around halfway channel jumped and using a Vox Tonelab modeler. If he's using the master on the TSL, and he doesn't need crazy volume, he should be okay....based on my experience though.

 

[Zombiwoof]

Re: Very Tempted to Buy this Cab

It looks like there are two versions of the creamback; one 75 and one 65 watts. Gearjoneser loves his. By the way, I ran a 60 watt Univox amp for many years with a G12H30/V30 2x12 and never had a problem. Non master amp with the volumes set around halfway channel jumped and using a Vox Tonelab modeler. If he's using the master on the TSL, and he doesn't need crazy volume, he should be okay....based on my experience though.

Yes, there are two new Creambacks, and one has the "M" or medium magnet, and the other the "H" or heavy magnet. Forget which one has which, I'd have to check. I think the 75 has the "M" mag, but I could be wrong.

Al