Vintage Floyd Rose Saddle problem (saddle groove is lower than on new ones)

C-Martin

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Hey, so i have an old strat i fitted a vintage OFR years ago and the low E saddle's pivot has started to seize and is very hard to move. This makes fine tuning basically impossible, or requires excessive force on the thumb screw to get it to move (IE. once the saddle was removed, i was unable to actually move the pivot by hand). I was actually able to find "vintage" Floyd Rose saddles which looked to be identical to mine on eBay so i ordered them, but to be safe i also ordered a brand new low E one to compare just in case. I have other OFR guitar's and i could always use spares anyway.

Here is the problem though, once i installed the saddle i immediately noticed the height was wrong. The string sits considerably higher than on the previous old saddle, enough to raise the action way too much to be usable on this guitar. What i mean is that the bridge height is at the lowest that the guitar will allow, and the action is considered to be pretty high already as it is. This is fine by me since i love how this guitar is setup with the action how it is. The saddle is the correct number, so that is not the problem, i have the rest of the set too to compare as well as the brand new saddle. The thing i have noticed is that these "vintage" saddles i bought have the same height to the new saddles, the old saddles on my strat however have the string groove much deeper. For example, on the newer saddles the wound strings actually protrude above the the saddle, on the old saddles the strings would sit "in" the saddle and not stick out at all. This would make the string sit much lower.

Now I'm stuck and a bit lost as to what to do, kind of afraid of never being able to have this guitar setup with the usability i want. This is by far my favorite and most sentimentally valued guitar i own. The old saddle could still work, if i just never use the fine tuner on it. This would mean i would have to unclamp the nut every time i want to tune, and when you clamp it back it goes off by a bit so it would be an annoying guessing game. Any suggestions or tips on what i could do to save this guitar? Can i find these old deeper grooved saddles somewhere?
 
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Re: Vintage Floyd Rose Saddle problem - Please help

You say it's an older FR? For the seized up saddle.... Have you given it a soak in a WD40 bath, or something similar?

Next, are you totally certain you ordered, and were given, the proper saddle?

Have you looked at all the saddles on the old FR? Are you sure someone didn't alter them in any way? I've seen some people grind down the bottom mod the saddles to custom fit their radius.

After that, FR tolerances on their specs aren't what they used to be. Break out the micrometer, check the specs, confirm you have the right one, send it back if it's wrong and call them to ask them to check the replacement before it's sent out.
 
Re: Vintage Floyd Rose Saddle problem - Please help

Re: Vintage Floyd Rose Saddle problem - Please help

You say it's an older FR? For the seized up saddle.... Have you given it a soak in a WD40 bath, or something similar?

Next, are you totally certain you ordered, and were given, the proper saddle?

Have you looked at all the saddles on the old FR? Are you sure someone didn't alter them in any way? I've seen some people grind down the bottom mod the saddles to custom fit their radius.

After that, FR tolerances on their specs aren't what they used to be. Break out the micrometer, check the specs, confirm you have the right one, send it back if it's wrong and call them to ask them to check the replacement before it's sent out.



It's one of the really early German OFR, pulled from a Kramer guitar if I remember correctly. The saddle would need to be dismantled and have all the rust cleaned out of the joint for it to work. It's friction causing it to seize, there's probably a good build up of dirt, chrome chips debris and rust from years of sweat and use. It basically feels like it's press fit in place. WD-40 won't fix this, already tried other lubricants.

I'm positive it's the correct saddle. All other dimension are exact, the only difference being the groove where the string rests in. The new ones have considerably higher grooves than the old ones.

The saddles aren't modified. The groove itself isn't modified either by what i can see because the part is still chromed, and i don't see any tooling marks. Any filing or grinding would remove the chrome. I really doubt anyone would go through the cost and trouble of re-chroming.

I'm not sure grinding the bottom of the saddle would work properly. I know you can shim them to raise them, but grinding the bottom of the saddle would lower the pivot point. This would seem to make the pivot too low and have the moving part get clamped down on the base plate thus not be able to move freely like it should.
 
Re: Vintage Floyd Rose Saddle problem - Please help

Re: Vintage Floyd Rose Saddle problem - Please help

After that, FR tolerances on their specs aren't what they used to be.

I've been installing Floyds since they were introduced to the market. They've NEVER had acceptable production tolerances - EVER, not even the German made stuff. One of the many reasons why guitar repairman everywhere hate Floyds.
 
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Re: Vintage Floyd Rose Saddle problem - Please help

I've been installing Floyds since they were introduced to the market. They've NEVER had acceptable production tolerances - EVER, not even the German made stuff. One of the many reasons why guitar repairman everywhere hate Floyds.

Wow, really? Kind of wish i had known this years ago before installing this thing...
 
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Re: Vintage Floyd Rose Saddle problem - Please help

I've been installing Floyds since they were introduced to the market. They've NEVER had acceptable production tolerances - EVER, not even the German made stuff. One of the many reasons why guitar repairman everywhere hate Floyds.

yeah. I'm just trying to be nice about it. lol!




back to the OP. I have seen guys let old rusted out Floyds set in a WD40 bath and end up with a well-working trem. how long did you let yours soak?

also, I'd never suggest that anyone grind down a saddle like that. some do, and I don't agree with it for my own purposes. I was asking if maybe someone else did on the one you have. it's a little hard to be of much help without seeing pics of what all is going on.
 
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yeah. I'm just trying to be nice about it. lol!




back to the OP. I have seen guys let old rusted out Floyds set in a WD40 bath and end up with a well-working trem. how long did you let yours soak?

also, I'd never suggest that anyone grind down a saddle like that. some do, and I don't agree with it for my own purposes. I was asking if maybe someone else did on the one you have. it's a little hard to be of much help without seeing pics of what all is going on.

Didn't really soak it for long. You really think regular WD40 would work on something that's already seized?

I can try to take close up pictures but I'm not sure what good it would do. Might be hard to get close up shots of such small parts, but I'll see if it comes out clear enough to be of use.
 
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well, if the rust is too much you could boil the part or even the whole floyd on vinegar with lemon juice and then let it on wd40 a couple days, then soak it on coke cola for a day and then gently wipe with vinegar, if that doesn't removes the rust nothing will
 
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Re: Vintage Floyd Rose Saddle problem - Please help

Didn't really soak it for long. You really think regular WD40 would work on something that's already seized?

the guys that I've seen have success with that seem to soak them for a few days.

the larger containers of WD40 isn't all that cheap. I lucked out and found a shiny new gallon on sale at Home Depot for less than $10... and I don't think I'll ever find it that cheap again. haha! anyhoo... break the FR down to the individual parts and find a container that it will fit in without breaking the bank of WD40. then maybe check on that one saddle each day. maybe give it a few days before calling it quits.

some of these guys have taken really cruddy rusted up Floyds and have something that looks very nice after a long soak.

if WD40 will break the bank, maybe look for something a little more economical that will do that same.
 
Re: Vintage Floyd Rose Saddle problem - Please help

Re: Vintage Floyd Rose Saddle problem - Please help

the guys that I've seen have success with that seem to soak them for a few days.

the larger containers of WD40 isn't all that cheap. I lucked out and found a shiny new gallon on sale at Home Depot for less than $10... and I don't think I'll ever find it that cheap again. haha! anyhoo... break the FR down to the individual parts and find a container that it will fit in without breaking the bank of WD40. then maybe check on that one saddle each day. maybe give it a few days before calling it quits.

some of these guys have taken really cruddy rusted up Floyds and have something that looks very nice after a long soak.

if WD40 will break the bank, maybe look for something a little more economical that will do that same.



Just wanted to report back after trying the WD40 trick. I placed the saddle in a plastic cup and filled it up with WD40 until it covered the saddle completely. It didn't seem like it would work after the first week or two, but at about week 3 the saddle started moving again. I then started forcing the joint to move every day or so and replacing the WD40 so it would always be fresh. The "old" WD40 turned sort of brownish color so it looked dirty. Now after over a month the saddle has completely come back to life. It doesn't look new but it moves freely like a brand new one!

Now I feel like doing the same treatment to the other saddles just in case. If one seized the others must not be too far from doing the same.

Thank you for suggesting this tip, it worked out amazing you just need to be patient. I would've never tried WD40 because I didn't think it would be strong enough to unclog an already seized part.
 
Re: Vintage Floyd Rose Saddle problem - Please help

Re: Vintage Floyd Rose Saddle problem - Please help

Just wanted to report back after trying the WD40 trick. I placed the saddle in a plastic cup and filled it up with WD40 until it covered the saddle completely. It didn't seem like it would work after the first week or two, but at about week 3 the saddle started moving again. I then started forcing the joint to move every day or so and replacing the WD40 so it would always be fresh. The "old" WD40 turned sort of brownish color so it looked dirty. Now after over a month the saddle has completely come back to life. It doesn't look new but it moves freely like a brand new one!

Now I feel like doing the same treatment to the other saddles just in case. If one seized the others must not be too far from doing the same.

Thank you for suggesting this tip, it worked out amazing you just need to be patient. I would've never tried WD40 because I didn't think it would be strong enough to unclog an already seized part.

A month? I have to say you've been more patient that I would have.

Good to hear it worked out!!
 
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month?, i would had deep fryed that sucker in WD40 on week one lol
 
Re: Vintage Floyd Rose Saddle problem (saddle groove is lower than on new ones)

You might try an ultrasonic cleaner.... they make small ones for drafting pens that are perfect for small guitar parts. I have one....
 
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