vocal pa?

[Aceman]

Re: vocal pa?

Is this for practice? Absolutely no reason for stacks and loud drums.

Calm TF down young metal dude!!!!!!! MAke it easy on yourselves

A solid powered PA speaker should be able to get him through a practice no problem. Seems like you guys feel the need to be at cub/stadium volume just to practice.

 

[Kamanda~SD]

Re: vocal pa?

Is this for practice? Absolutely no reason for stacks and loud drums.

Calm TF down young metal dude!!!!!!! MAke it easy on yourselves

A solid powered PA speaker should be able to get him through a practice no problem. Seems like you guys feel the need to be at cub/stadium volume just to practice.

Although I agree it doesn't need to be club volume, 60w is not going to cut it either way.

Asking a drummer to hit softer is idiotic (assuming hes not just bashing away like a dumbass), drums are as loud as the guy makes em, and depending on the room they can be MUCH louder. So you need to compete with this. Once again, 60w will NOT cut it.

Plus, whats the fun if you can't move a little air?

 

[Securb]

Re: vocal pa?

This looks like a great SDOTD 300 watts and a 15 it will definitlly get the job done.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/stupid?src=3TP5DNB&&noPopup=true&src=3TP5DNB

 

[Iwanarock]

Re: vocal pa?

First what you have now was never meant to be used as a PA for a live band. There are lots of options here depending on your budget. Getting a powered stage monitor might help your singer hear himself a little better in a practice situation if positioned under his feet, but will never help a audience hear the vocals if that is a eventual goal. A 60W PA system will just never cut it for a live band period.

What I don't get is if your singer and the rest of the band can't hear the vocalist how you guys even practice, Everyone in the band needs to hear the vocalist if you ever want to be any good and one stage monitor won't solve that issue either.

Tell me what your budget constraints and ultimate band goals are and i could make some recommendations. But to do this properly you are going to need more then a few hundred dollars.

 

[Kamanda~SD]

Re: vocal pa?

What I don't get is if your singer and the rest of the band can't hear the vocalist how you guys even practice, Everyone in the band needs to hear the vocalist if you ever want to be any good and one stage monitor won't solve that issue either.

We practice all the time without our singer. You should never queue off the singer so I don't see how it makes it so they cant practice. Although I agree its certainly a PITA and cant work on vocals/ hearing HIM etc, but the whole band?

 

[Securb]

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We practice all the time without our singer.

I totally agree. My tightest (and most technical band) the bass player and drummer would get to practice early to go through the set. Then I would show up we would go through new material and trouble spots in arrangments before the singer got there. When the singer showed up, it was more about working on the live show.

 

[Iwanarock]

Re: vocal pa?

I totally agree. My tightest (and most technical band) the bass player and drummer would get to practice early to go through the set. Then I would show up we would go through new material and trouble spots in arrangments before the singer got there. When the singer showed up, it was more about working on the live show.

I guess we just have a different perception of what makes a good band translate well to audience. I am talking about preparing to play live. That is exactly what I am talking about, If you are in a band and trying ever to play out, then it is all about preparing for the live show. Perhaps i said it the wrong way and I am a guitar player but people always focus on the vocalist. If you can't hear the vocalist and the vocalist is not in time with the band because the singer can't hear or the audience can't hear him/her then your end product result will suffer.

I didn't say you couldn't rehearse without a vocalist, but his point of this post was the signer could not hear himself nor could the band when they were rehearsing and what equipement could they get to help. I am a guilty as charged guitar player that will sometimes play to loud. But when we keep all of the instruments including the voice sitting in the right place in the mix, that is when we as a band get our best reception and when we sound the best.

Like it or not 90% of the focus of any band performing will be centered right on the vocalist. In fact if I am watching a band live or even the backing band on Idol or the Voice and the band is very tight but to loud and i can't hear the vocal and/or it gets lost in mix then my perception of how good the performance was will suffer. Hard for a signer to sing in the pocket if they can't hear themselves. The rest of the band can be very tight but if the signer is drowned out, other musicians may enjoy it but the majority of the crowd probably won't.

So i guess we can agree to disagree, and by the way i am not a vocalist.

 

[Kamanda~SD]

Re: vocal pa?

Nah were not disagreeing exactly, your clarification helped immensely.

It's all in the wording!

 

[Iwanarock]

Re: vocal pa?

Nah were not disagreeing exactly, your clarification helped immensely.

It's all in the wording!

See yep we can agree ..you are right, it is all in the wording. But this is a good analogy ..you couldn't hear my lyrics the first time cause the musician in you was was drowning me out. LOL

 

[Securb]

Re: vocal pa?

See yep we can agree ..you are right, it is all in the wording. But this is a good analogy ..you couldn't hear my lyrics the first time cause the musician in you was was drowning me out. LOL

We all have different methods the reason we come here is to share them and learn from each other. I might be an old fart but I learn new crap from you young 'uns on the board every day. Especially from Youngthrasher, Big Flannel (and others). Those guys have gotton me to update my tone. It is all about the sharing of ideas, not whether someone's ideas are right or wrong.

 

[everdrone]

Re: vocal pa?

consider going in ears. usually practice is in a small room which generates feedback no matter how big and powerful the PA is. then you dont need as big of a PA and just aim it at the other musicians and turn up as they need.