Vox Night Train review

FuseG4

Our Neighbor Totoro
Got the night train and the cab w/ the greenback today. Using my epiphone les paul.

The bright mode is really where it's at. The clean sound is very much the british chimey voxish clean I wanted, and is useable at surprisingly loud volumes. Both the pentode and triode mode have yielded good results, the triode mode isn't as dull as the blackheart bh5's. And, after not having a mid knob for a while on the SCXD, having one on the NT is like it's own little blessing. I can't believe how touch sensitive this amp is. Even on the thick mode, but especially in bright mode, you can pick lightly and it's smooth, but you hit it and BAM. The SCXD is pretty ridiculously compressed in comparison.

The thick mode is nuts. I had to be careful with the gain, there's a lot more in there than I thought. past roughly 1:30 on the dial, there's a little jump in volume and past that it gets a bit fizzy. Lowering the gain and raising the master is FAR better in this case, as you just whale on it and the right amount of grind kicks in by itself. I don't feel like I need a ton of gain with this amp, any music I used to play with a lot more gain, now I can play with less and it sounds way better. The speaker is great. I've become intimately familiar with only a few speakers but this one's gonna stay, and it kicks butt. It's got more growl than any speaker I've ever played, but at the same time it doesn't wuss out on the clarity when it's doin it's thang.

I tried one OD pedal out with it so far, a Digitech ToneDriver. In the bright mode with a clean sound, I can set the pedal's gain on about half and kick it in for some nice, smooth drive. The thick mode doesn't wanna handle it the same way, even with relatively low gain on the amp, the OD pedal makes it pretty muddy, noisy, and the bass is too much for it, especially on the neck pickup. That doesn't matter, I don't need more gain on the thick mode at all. Not the best OD pedal to rate something with, but anyways...

Comes with sovtek el84's and 12AX7WAs. I tried swapping in a JJ ECC83S for the preamp and it sounded like crap. Harsh, and dark. Some weird kinda fat, grinding distortion with a boomy on the low end. Hadn't used that tube in while, maybe it's shot. Switched it back out. The sovtek is pretty smooth. I put an EH 12ax7 in the PI slot and thought it sounded good. I'd like to experiment with the EL84's sometime but so far I like what I hear and so I'm not gonna just run out and drop for new ones.

I've been playing for about 2.5 hours with the chrome part of the amp head removed so it's just a loaded chassis with rubber feet. Looks pretty badass, like a homemade amp.

Overall, the only thing I don't like is the fizz on the highest gain settings. But, I didn't buy the amp for that. i'd say 70% to 85% of the gain is purely useable and in triode mode it's a little darker and you can get away with a bit more. When i think about it though, what amps don't start getting kinda funky when you dime the preamp? not that many amps in this price range or wattage, IMO.
 
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Congrats!!! Ive sure been eyeing these. I wish I could play one.. appreciate the review!

you say it sounds fizzy at super high gain, but sounds like you can use less gain, so I guess thats pretty cool
 
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I stuck the JJ in the PI and the EH in the preamp and *bingo*. Who knows what was up with the JJ but everything's all smooth and full-bodied now. sweet.
 
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You can take out the speaker, put extra frontcloth on the inside, it will work like the old basketwave Marshall cabs, filter away those more fitzy sounds, can't be seen from the outside, just find something black, and you can just go with what thickness you like to use.
Congrats!
I am going to get one myself, along with a Laney Lionheart 5 watter, gonna use them for homerecording and such:)
 
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Lowering the gain and raising the master is FAR better in this case, as you just whale on it and the right amount of grind kicks in by itself. I don't feel like I need a ton of gain with this amp, any music I used to play with a lot more gain, now I can play with less and it sounds way better.


Yup. This.

Usually so many young players just go for gain and more gain, to the point where it kinda sucks away the best tone and dynamics. After so many years of playing, listening and doing mixing gigs, i discovered that the guys who got the biggest sounds, the sounds that punch the audience in the stomach and nail people to the back wall, were playing a lot cleaner that might be expected. The high-gain players' sounds just do not seem to project out into the room, where the slightly less gain-y sounds project better and sound BIGGER....and of course, more dynamic.

Congratulations on the amp, and thanks for a great review. Keep on enjoying those great sounds !!!!
 
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When i had the 5W blackheart, I couldn't really get the Eminence Screamin Eagle to break up. That greenback sure can. after cranking it I noticed I was able to get a lot of the same sonic impact i felt when playing the 40W Haze, and this amp is almost as loud.
The haze was a little scooped sounding, and I could see where that would come in handy, whereas the night train has some pretty full mids, especially in thick mode.
 
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Maybe try a 12AY7 in the preamp slot...it might change the tone a bit, but it will raise the threshold of the gain knob and might clear up the fizzyness when it's cranked.
 
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yeah maybe I go get one of those when I decide to change to el84's. Thanks.
 
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yeah it's always fun to experiment, though.

Actually I was playing earlier through my weber load dump and surprisingly, the attenuator takes out a lot of fizz! I switch in the 3dB treble boost and it sounds normal, but still with no fizz.

Yeah, it's still more fun to play with less gain, but when I am feeling like it, it's good there's things I can do to squeeze a lil more juice out the sucker ^_^
 
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Well the sound does not really change after halfway on the volume, just gets more and more squashed....
Dunno I like gear that gives you more cravings for playing than experimenting...and the Vox is just that kind of gear to me:)
Plug and play...
 
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I don't think I like JJ's in VOX sounding circuits. They all seem to have that fizz especially in V1 in my amp (it also gets fizzy louder I think it has alot to do with cathode biased el84's assuming the nighttrain is Cathode Biased?). Didn't like them in an original late 60's AC30 either. I think RCA's sound great and these valves labelled ERA not sure what they are but I got one in V1.
 
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Sovtek tubes are not all that bad. They give a nice warm tone. I tried JJ's in my Music Man HD-150 and they sounded way to stiff and harsh.

It is best to listen with your ears and not to all the hype. Nice job on your review! :)

Picture of the ULTRA COOL looking Vox Night Train!

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Love dem Chicken Head knobs!!!
 
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that guy on the vox video kinda creeps me out... is he "batting for the other team" or something? Not that there's anything wrong with that. He does get some nice sounds and that is demo is a very good representation of the actual tone of the amp.

I did like JJ el84s over stock on the Bh5 head and combo amps. The v1 was a new tung-sol. that tube was nice. Too bad I stepped on the last one I had. I'd been interested in the Ei el84s but alas, the prices wen't up since the last time I looked into those.
 
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that guy on the vox video kinda creeps me out... is he "batting for the other team" or something? Not that there's anything wrong with that. He does get some nice sounds and that is demo is a very good representation of the actual tone of the amp.

I did like JJ el84s over stock on the Bh5 head and combo amps. The v1 was a new tung-sol. that tube was nice. Too bad I stepped on the last one I had. I'd been interested in the Ei el84s but alas, the prices wen't up since the last time I looked into those.

The Ei tubes I have tried all got the "ringing" within a couple of days. Maybe I got some bad ones, but they made all kinds of non musical noise.

Might be better in a head/cab situation though...mine were in an Ampeg Jet combo where the speaker sits two inches form the tubes.

They did have good tone before the microphonics hit.
 
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I work in a shop full of VHT's and Marshalls and some Mesa's and everything else.

the Vox Night Train is my favorite :)
 
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how close do you think it could get to that 'big clean' that old fenders with too many valves have?
 
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So, like, I did play a Twin Reverb RI recently. It's uh... totally different. The NT has that thin, bright thing going on, and the Fender really sounds huge by comparison. The fender can get bright, but really it's just got this deepness and roundness that just can't be matched. They both have an airy quality but on the fender it seems as if there's like several layers of airyness delicately stacked on top of eachother and with the vox its just right up front.
That's the only 'big clean" sounding fender I could compare it to.

As opposed to say, a hot rod deluxe's clean, which is tight and bright, I bet you could get something similar without too much effort. The main difference is gonna be the bass response and obviously headroom. That HRDX was WAY punchy when I played it.
 
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