Want to start recording... Advise PLZ!?!?!

Re: Want to start recording... Advise PLZ!?!?!

Well, I was running with minimums... Personally, I prefer at least 8 channels in via USB 3 or Firewire (I'm running 16 channels of Presonus (so far - when I have the space, I intend to upgrade to 24), with 2 tube mic pres, a stereo tube compressor, a separate solid state compressor). But for the OP, starting out, a small rig he can build on isn't a bad idea.

Also, a little bit of room treatment goes a long way to getting a good final mix. Don't go wild with it, but a little judiciously applied foam helps a lot.
 
Re: Want to start recording... Advise PLZ!?!?!

No, I meant I was wondering why you pointed out so strongly to have symmetrical output although the level is much higher than for mic where I rate symmetrical input as much more important.

And stereo fits through USB1. No reason to skip USB 2 if you can have it but the data rate is sufficient and neither is reliable :)
 
Re: Want to start recording... Advise PLZ!?!?!

Balanced outputs (whether 1/4" or XLR) mean better signal-to-noise ratio out to the monitors - long range thinking. Get decent monitors that you'll want to keep through multiple interfaces, and be used to as your rig changes.

Simple stereo fits through USB1, yes - and be sufficient for most small interfaces, *depending on the sampling rate*. Sufficient for most? Yes. Sufficient for everything? ...No. USB in general does tend to be more stable than Firewire, I agree, but USB2 has greater bandwidth than USB1.1
 
Re: Want to start recording... Advise PLZ!?!?!

But balanced is much more important for mic input because the signal is lower, so any noise you pick up has worse signal/noise. You would need very long cables and a very noisy environment to pick up significant noise in a line carrying line level such as the one to the monitors.

I don't think sample rates more than 48 k/sec are called for here, it fits USB 1 just fine. And the reliability of USB is total, utter garbage. Sorry but you just insulted firewire, shouldn't have done that :)
 
Re: Want to start recording... Advise PLZ!?!?!

Ummm... my Presonus interface is firewire... ;) I can insult it if I want to (I'm not, I'm quite happy with it).

Depending on the interface and the monitors, the cable may not be carrying line level. Mine get mic-level, are running balanced, because every little bit helps.
 
Re: Want to start recording... Advise PLZ!?!?!

a used ipad, microphone that can connect to ipad, garageband. shouldn't cost too much.
 
Re: Want to start recording... Advise PLZ!?!?!

But balanced is much more important for mic input because the signal is lower, so any noise you pick up has worse signal/noise. You would need very long cables and a very noisy environment to pick up significant noise in a line carrying line level such as the one to the monitors.

Before we start fighting for our own truth inside our skulls let's just say that using a balanced monitor cable will surely save the OP from a lot of unforeseen troubles that you luckily seem to have avoided so far while using unbalanced cables. It just offers more powerful signal transfer with less possible problems. Period.

For a simple test, let's take a cheap used powered / shielded monitor that has both unbalanced and balanced signal inputs. BTW it is not a matter of price, an ample of semi-consumer monitors offer that option. Then let's plie up in a small room a computer, the monitors, the interface and all the guitar amps that are around, a microwave oven or two, a couple of extra anything that has a transformer in it or has a decent electromagnetic noise output and turn everything on. So now that we modelled an average, still not too dense recording environment with a couple of units around that produce some electrically disturbing artifacts and noise that the OP can run into if he gets some outboard gear, multiple amps running, phones around etc etc later and starts recording. That point, just grab a pair of 1m balanced and 1m unbalanced wires and make a simple A / B test between the probably +4dBu (1.2V balanced) and +10dBV (0.3V unbalanced) ready monitor ins. If there is no drastical difference between the clarity and noise of the two then

A: we have successfully set up an electromagnetic zero point accidentally in a real world environment
B: the unbalanced wire accidentally started working as a hyperconductor, don't touch it, let's call the great-grandson of Nicola Tesla
C: the monitors are not working.


I don't think sample rates more than 48 k/sec are called for here, it fits USB 1 just fine. And the reliability of USB is total, utter garbage. Sorry but you just insulted firewire, shouldn't have done that :)

What is the reason? FW is fine, I read the post you reacted twice, no one insulted anything. Please don't start witch hunting for nothing and derail the OP with a "Coca or Pepsi" debate :)

USB devices these days are not USB units a decade ago. Although firewire provides a more consistent data flow, there is a serious amount of engineering in present USB interfaces that provide carefully programmed drivers that don't let the OS to f up with the data flow that much. I have some fresh experience of running an RME UFX during a broadcast project running both USB and FW for days in MAC and PC - it doesn't matter, it works either way fine. AVID Eleven Rack USB on MAC / ProTools, recording DI geetars for days, no glitch (I wish that the 'tools worked so fine as this interface). Focusrite Saffire40 FW PC with a $10 noname FW card, editing for days - works fine. Focusrite Scarlet 18i20 USB running in a live band recording setup overnight without a hiccup - no problem. Testing an UAD Satellite Quad DSP unit with FW800 - wow that was like a race car for sure. Settng up a Line6 UX2 for a friend of mine a week ago - he's reported missing since then.

...I tend to think, both USB and FW can be really bad for health and social life these days.
 
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Re: Want to start recording... Advise PLZ!?!?!

Ok... so a stack of old school TDK's and a cassette deck it is...

Seriously though, I'm GTS'n everything and searching for some of them on MF and SweetWater. Trying to follow along.. sorry it's taking a little bit. But I'm catching up lol..
 
Re: Want to start recording... Advise PLZ!?!?!

Wouldn't hurt to look into a digital 8 track, jermo. Some of the Zoom ones have drum pads, amp sims, and work as a usb interface. R16 if i remember correctly.
 
Re: Want to start recording... Advise PLZ!?!?!

Wouldn't hurt to look into a digital 8 track, jermo. Some of the Zoom ones have drum pads, amp sims, and work as a usb interface. R16 if i remember correctly.

They still make 8 tracks? lol... will GTS that too Jon. Thanks bro
 
Re: Want to start recording... Advise PLZ!?!?!

Wouldn't hurt to look into a digital 8 track, jermo. Some of the Zoom ones have drum pads, amp sims, and work as a usb interface. R16 if i remember correctly.

I use a Boss BR600 digital 8 track to do rough demo recording. They're no longer made, but GC usually have a few on the used site. I bought mine on ebay for $80 a few months ago. It's theoretically possible to mix a full song on there, but I pull the raw tracks off mine and mix on my computer. If you want to go the fully computer route, the Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 or 2i4 is a great entry-level USB interface that can be had for less than $200.
 
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