Ways to get more reverb?
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Re: Ways to get more reverb?
Let me say a little more on the subject because I think that it might help you in finding more tones in the other channel, too.
The Gain controls how hot the input signal is as it goes through the preamp. The Master controls how hard the preamp tubes are being pushed. The output controls how hard the power tubes are working to increase the volume.
Remember that as the gain increases, the amp becomes more compressed-sounding and less responsive to lighter picking, lowered volume level on the guitar, etc. The tone controls also become less effective as the gain increases.
As with any Boogie, I would highly recommend reading the owners manual and getting acquainted with the way that the amp was designed. The modes are cool, but only if you know how they work so that you can use them effectively.
Let me say a little more on the subject because I think that it might help you in finding more tones in the other channel, too.
The Gain controls how hot the input signal is as it goes through the preamp. The Master controls how hard the preamp tubes are being pushed. The output controls how hard the power tubes are working to increase the volume.
Remember that as the gain increases, the amp becomes more compressed-sounding and less responsive to lighter picking, lowered volume level on the guitar, etc. The tone controls also become less effective as the gain increases.
As with any Boogie, I would highly recommend reading the owners manual and getting acquainted with the way that the amp was designed. The modes are cool, but only if you know how they work so that you can use them effectively.
rraawwrr
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Re: Ways to get more reverb?
Thanks for this, Rob. However I'm still a little fuzzy on how the Gain control varies from the Master control. Is the Master control another gain stage after the Gain control? Maybe part of my problem is that I don't understand exactly how preamp tubes work - I know they amplify the signal, but why is there an A and a B side (at least in the Boogie task chart)?
Thanks!
HamerPlyr said:
Thanks for this, Rob. However I'm still a little fuzzy on how the Gain control varies from the Master control. Is the Master control another gain stage after the Gain control? Maybe part of my problem is that I don't understand exactly how preamp tubes work - I know they amplify the signal, but why is there an A and a B side (at least in the Boogie task chart)?
Thanks!
S
seafoamer
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Re: Ways to get more reverb?
You could always just play in a tunnel.
You could always just play in a tunnel.
Re: Ways to get more reverb?
I would be more than happy to answer all of your questions individually, but I think that you will benefit more from reading the owners manual. If you don't have it, find it here:
http://www.mesaboogie.com/manuals/sRec_Sers2.pdf
Rob
I would be more than happy to answer all of your questions individually, but I think that you will benefit more from reading the owners manual. If you don't have it, find it here:
http://www.mesaboogie.com/manuals/sRec_Sers2.pdf
Rob
ErikH
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Re: Ways to get more reverb?
Wow, these Mesa's are weird beasts. Now I see what you're talking about, Rob.
Does it still produce sound with the Master all the way down since it's the driver feed to the FX loop from the end of the pre-amp (according to the manual)? I don't know why they didn't just label it "Send" and the Output "Master Volume" considering the Output control is the Master Volume for the whole amp.
Wow, these Mesa's are weird beasts. Now I see what you're talking about, Rob.
Does it still produce sound with the Master all the way down since it's the driver feed to the FX loop from the end of the pre-amp (according to the manual)? I don't know why they didn't just label it "Send" and the Output "Master Volume" considering the Output control is the Master Volume for the whole amp.
Re: Ways to get more reverb?
Yeah, they're definitely persnickety in the way that they name things. I guess that they're thinking that the easiest way to think of it is to see the Masters as the Master for each channel and the Output as a way to control the overall volume of both channels. Then, there's the Solo level...lol
Yeah, they're definitely persnickety in the way that they name things. I guess that they're thinking that the easiest way to think of it is to see the Masters as the Master for each channel and the Output as a way to control the overall volume of both channels. Then, there's the Solo level...lol
rraawwrr
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Re: Ways to get more reverb?
Erik - Sound does come out with the master Output volume all the way down and with a channel's volume up. I always thought this was very curious. However, with the master Output up and the channel's volume down all the way, no sound comes out. Rob may correct me if I'm wrong. I think the design is good, but their labels are a little, misleading perhaps. I still love 'em!
Rob - I think it's also curious that the solo boost function is not a fixed level boost, but seems to vary according to the Output level.
Erik - Sound does come out with the master Output volume all the way down and with a channel's volume up. I always thought this was very curious. However, with the master Output up and the channel's volume down all the way, no sound comes out. Rob may correct me if I'm wrong. I think the design is good, but their labels are a little, misleading perhaps. I still love 'em!
Rob - I think it's also curious that the solo boost function is not a fixed level boost, but seems to vary according to the Output level.
Re: Ways to get more reverb?
Look at it this way- the Solo level turned all of the way down is no boost in output. The more that you turn it up, the more that it boosts the level from where the Ouput is set. There is obviously a limit to the amount of boost, dependent upon how high you have the Output (if you have it wide open, that's as loud as the amp gets and there's nothing left to boost), but you get the idea. It's cool in that you can get a nice footswitchable volume spike for a solo if/when you need it.
rraawwrr said:
Look at it this way- the Solo level turned all of the way down is no boost in output. The more that you turn it up, the more that it boosts the level from where the Ouput is set. There is obviously a limit to the amount of boost, dependent upon how high you have the Output (if you have it wide open, that's as loud as the amp gets and there's nothing left to boost), but you get the idea. It's cool in that you can get a nice footswitchable volume spike for a solo if/when you need it.
Re: Ways to get more reverb?
To sum all of this up, with Boogie, you need to understand that every control reacts differently based on the level of the controls that came before it in the signal chain. It makes it more challenging to find an exact tone, but it also results in greater tonal versatility.
To sum all of this up, with Boogie, you need to understand that every control reacts differently based on the level of the controls that came before it in the signal chain. It makes it more challenging to find an exact tone, but it also results in greater tonal versatility.
ErikH
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Re: Ways to get more reverb?
Like I said, this is why I love my Marshall.
That makes sense and also explains the reverb issue that started this thread. Here I was thinking Mesa had the Crate reverb syndrome (little tanks with little reverb). Now I see that it all has to do with how the dials are set.HamerPlyr said:
Like I said, this is why I love my Marshall.
rraawwrr
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Re: Ways to get more reverb?
But can the Marshall Boogie? :laugh2:
ErikH said:That makes sense and also explains the reverb issue that started this thread. Here I was thinking Mesa had the Crate reverb syndrome (little tanks with little reverb). Now I see that it all has to do with how the dials are set.
Like I said, this is why I love my Marshall.
But can the Marshall Boogie? :laugh2:
Re: Ways to get more reverb?
Personally, I was just mesmerized by the fact that both of you used the rolling smiley, and they're sync'ed up. Look at Eric's last post and you'll see what I mean. You have to do that "Magic Eye" thing where you diverge focus to see both of them at the same time. (Man... am I bored or what? lol)
Personally, I was just mesmerized by the fact that both of you used the rolling smiley, and they're sync'ed up. Look at Eric's last post and you'll see what I mean. You have to do that "Magic Eye" thing where you diverge focus to see both of them at the same time. (Man... am I bored or what? lol)
