Weird String Breakage... Coincidence?

BriGuy1968

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Okay, what could POSSIBLY cause this?

I've broken 2 high "E" strings on Ginger, my new Tele build, in the month or so since I finished her.

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Identical circumstances both times. I'm playing along and suddenly the high E is WAY flatter than it was just moments ago... like a whole step (2 frets for you non-music-theory guys). My first thought is that the locking tuner has somehow allowed the string to pull back through, but there's still the little nub of the string end sticking out of the tuner (I always cut my strings off close once I've locked them down) and the lock is not loose at all. I tune it back up, start playing again, and get the same result... a very sudden full step. I re-tune and start putting some pressure on that string, pulling and stretching it which delivers a noticeable "pop" as the string drops its full step again. "What the hell?" I re-check the tuner, which is unchanged. I look at the bridge and the part of the tailpiece that keeps the string direction down... the string is nicely seated in both rollers just as it should be. I re-tune (which seems like it takes a lot more turns than usual... almost like I can't get "traction" on the string) and try stretching the string again with the same result. Another repeat or two and the "pop" also results in my string pulling completely through the tailpiece and the ball end rolling across the floor! Not actually a break, but an UNRAVELING!

I know what you're thinking... "Get better strings, dumbass. DUHR!"

There are two reasons why I don't think it's that:

1) I use d'Addarrio XL 9-42s on all my guitars and they generally work very well for me... not much premature breakage at all. I've never had this happen before.

2) They're not the same string. I also keep spares around which I buy as single-string 12-packs from Musicians Friend. The brand name is "Rogue." They seem to work pretty good actually and are a nice, inexpensive, convenient replacement for the occasional broken d'Addarrio.

It seems pretty unlikely that two different manufacturers would have EXACTLY the same issue on the same guitar... unless of course the GUITAR itself was the cause.

Any idea what might be causing this strange behavior?


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Re: Weird String Breakage... Coincidence?

Are the strings popping off at the same place? Could be your saddle cutting the string open! My friend had similar problem on his Carvin that had Fishman Piezo saddles years ago. He sent it back to Carvin and they realized the saddle was constantly cutting the A string up. They replaced it with Graphtect Piezo saddles and he's had no problems ever since, and it's been 3 years.
 
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Is the string unraveling at the ball end?
I used to solder the wrappings on any vibrato equipped guitar in my shop....

Except Floyds..... duh.
 
Re: Weird String Breakage... Coincidence?

Are the strings popping off at the same place? Could be your saddle cutting the string open! My friend had similar problem on his Carvin that had Fishman Piezo saddles years ago. He sent it back to Carvin and they realized the saddle was constantly cutting the A string up. They replaced it with Graphtect Piezo saddles and he's had no problems ever since, and it's been 3 years.

Good idea, but it's not the saddle in this case. I've dealt with burrs on saddles and similar stuff before. First, this is a roller bridge; and second, the "breaks" aren't happening at the saddle but are the string becoming unwound at the ball end... about 4 inches away.

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Sounds like the string is getting snagged somewhere.

I was thinking something similar, but where? And what would snag it hard enough to get the string to unwind from the ball?

String goes in here:
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And here's the other side:
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Needs a floyd :oo

Never!


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Re: Weird String Breakage... Coincidence?

Is the string unraveling at the ball end?
I used to solder the wrappings on any vibrato equipped guitar in my shop....

Except Floyds..... duh.

Yes... that's what it's doing.

Hmmm... soldering the wrappings, while a slight pain-in-the-ass, might be a good answer.


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Re: Weird String Breakage... Coincidence?

It really depends on where it is breaking. I've also gotten a batch of bad strings before that break (2 E strings in a row) where they never broke before. Since this guitar is new, figure out where it is breaking.
 
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I'd check inside the tailpiece. Could be something you aren't seeing that's nicking or pulling the windings.
 
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I'd check inside the tailpiece. Could be something you aren't seeing that's nicking or pulling the windings.

That was my thought. I've had strings unravel at the ball end every so often, but not consistently enough to go forensic.




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Re: Weird String Breakage... Coincidence?

Are you using the vibrato? Looks like the wind around the ball-end rests on the hole toward the bridge side and throwing the vibrato could cut the wind. Maybe insulate inside the holes in the vibrato or sand/ream them more open, like more of a conical shape? I'm looking at internet pictures, so I could be totally wrong.
 
Re: Weird String Breakage... Coincidence?

Welcome to the world of Jaguar/Jazzmaster users; this is a common problem on those guitars, which have a similar string-pull arrangement. There's just more likelihood of the high E unravelling. You need reinforced plain strings (Ernie Ball makes them.)

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Weird String Breakage... Coincidence?

I'd check inside the tailpiece. Could be something you aren't seeing that's nicking or pulling the windings.

That was my thought. I've had strings unravel at the ball end every so often, but not consistently enough to go forensic.

Me too... in fact when the first one went like that I didn't think much of it aside from just thinking I must've literally gotten a "bum wrap." Two in a row in a short period of time with two different brands of strings though? No way!

I'm out of town with it right now (visiting the wife's family), so I just replaced it with the spare I had in the case. I'm gonna pay close attention to it and see if I can figure things out over time. No solder, but while that will most certainly make the wrap stronger, it seems like a step I shouldn't HAVE TO take.

Looking under the tailpiece, the wraps extend in and rest close to a rounded bar before the string heads toward the first rollers (see the 3rd pic in post #5) and the bridge. Sure doesn't look or feel like there's anything there that could start the un-wrap, but I guess time will tell.


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Re: Weird String Breakage... Coincidence?

Are you using the vibrato? Looks like the wind around the ball-end rests on the hole toward the bridge side and throwing the vibrato could cut the wind. Maybe insulate inside the holes in the vibrato or sand/ream them more open, like more of a conical shape? I'm looking at internet pictures, so I could be totally wrong.

I barely use it except for the occasional "wobble" on some chord that seems to need it. That's a good idea though, sure doesn't seem like it could hurt!


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Re: Weird String Breakage... Coincidence?

Welcome to the world of Jaguar/Jazzmaster users; this is a common problem on those guitars, which have a similar string-pull arrangement. There's just more likelihood of the high E unravelling. You need reinforced plain strings (Ernie Ball makes them.)

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Hmmm... just one of those things that no one talks about? That makes sense too. If I continue having this problem maybe I'll just have to use different strings (or at least the E) on this guitar. Thanks for the tip!


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If you don't use the vibrato, put the high E string through the body and see if anything changes.
 
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Funny... I put a Bigsby on an Ibanez Artcore I have and within about an hour of playing the high e broke. I thought it was peculiar that a new string broke so quickly especially since I was only pushing down on the bar rather than pulling up, but figured strange things happen. This was about a year ago and I haven't picked it up again. Maybe I need some Ernie Balls before I do?

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Just for comparison: I have 6 guitars with Bigsby's, and a 7th I sold (Gretsch 6120, 6120DSV, 6122, 6118 [sold], Epiphone Casino, Rickenbacker 325) and I've never broken a string on any of them. Never. I've had to change the strings because they were old and dirty, that's it.
 
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I am suspicious of that round bar. It looks to me to be in exactly the right place to push against the red zone in the image Silence Kid posted. That, in turn, seems like just enough to start the unraveling process. The first drop is the twist relaxing, the second is when it slides down to the ball end, and then it just unrolls as you turn the tuner.
 
Re: Weird String Breakage... Coincidence?

Just for comparison: I have 6 guitars with Bigsby's, and a 7th I sold (Gretsch 6120, 6120DSV, 6122, 6118 [sold], Epiphone Casino, Rickenbacker 325) and I've never broken a string on any of them. Never. I've had to change the strings because they were old and dirty, that's it.

That one doesn't look like a traditional Bigsby tailpiece.
 
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