well, looks like i need a compressor...

[vladmarr]

Hi all, so after a long battle with it, i'm finally giving in and going to buy a compressor sustainer. which ones do you guys recommend (aside from the boss, and keeley ones) i don't want to spend a lot of money, but i don't want junk either (keep it under $200, ok?)
i'm finding it incredibly annoying to loose out put when i roll back my volume for a cleaner tone and i guess the only solution i can think of is using a comp pedal to keep the volume of my guitar somewhat constant. does that make sense? thanks for your input

 

[Kosh Naranek]

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i'm finding it incredibly annoying to loose out put when i roll back my volume for a cleaner tone and i guess the only solution i can think of is using a comp pedal to keep the volume of my guitar somewhat constant. does that make sense? thanks for your input

So are you putting this compressor after your distortion pedal?

 

[vladmarr]

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i was going to try it before and after to see which sounds better. i am looping my pedals through a loop switcher as soon as it comes in so i will be easy to do.

 

[Kosh Naranek]

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i was going to try it before and after to see which sounds better. i am looping my pedals through a loop switcher as soon as it comes in so i will be easy to do.

If you put it ahead of the distortion, and you roll back your guitar volume, and the compressor compensates by increasing the volume, what's gonna happen?


Your signal stays distorted. Your distortion or overdrive is still seeing the same level of signal coming in.

Putting the compressor after will achieve what you want, but the compressor will then also boost the level of any noise that your distortion or overdrive is producing. For that to work, you'd need a very quiet (very little hiss and hum) distortion pedal and a quiet, boutique quality compressor.

 

[ImmortalSix]

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Monte Allums Opto Mod CS-3

 

[lex666]

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5 words:

Seymour Duncan Double Back Compressor. :bling:

 

[vladmarr]

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Seymour Duncan Double Back Compressor. :bling:

i didn't know SD had a comp pedal! what are they going for?

good point about putting it after the Dirt pedals i hadn't thought about that. not worried about the volume after the pedals just as long as they clean up and the signal is still audible

 

[lex666]

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i didn't know SD had a comp pedal! what are they going for?

good point about putting it after the Dirt pedals i hadn't thought about that. not worried about the volume after the pedals just as long as they clean up and the signal is still audible

IMO, its a good price @ $157... much cheaper than the Keeley.

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/...ck-Compressor-Guitar-Effects-Pedal?sku=580207

Right now I'm using a 2 knob Keeley. The best comp pedal I've found so far. I tried the Boss CS3 and MXR Super Comp and didnt like 'em. The Keeley is way better. The double back has some features that I think would surpass the Keeley tho. For the price, I'd definetly try to Double back first, and if you don't like it sell here on the Trading Post or PM me and I'll buy it...

BTW - my MXR super comp is for sale in the Trading Post. If you're intersted in trying it, PM me and I'll give you a good deal...

 

[scottish]

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I got an analogman bi-comp in the trading room. Little more than 200 though if you want to straight up buy it. It is the best compressor ive laid hands on though. Ross and Orange crush in one.

 

[WhoFan]

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Diamond Compressor is the only comp i could see using myself... real nice unit with high quality parts... i own a Boss and an MXR and the MXR is ok but it's an old 70's one and has some noise to it... the Boss i could never adjust in a way that didn't squeeze the low string notes into mush

i can never see leaving a comp on for too long either... tap dancing on it on/off is the only way i've ever used one... not that i've used them much... but turning one on and off for quick passages is the best i use them for

 

[frankfalbo]

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The Double Back has started to ship. Seriously anyone interested in a compressor needs to check it out. The demo video is almost done too. I can't figure a way to say this without sounding like a company man, but it could seriously be the best compressor on the market for guitar work.

 

[scottish]

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The Double Back has started to ship. Seriously anyone interested in a compressor needs to check it out. The demo video is almost done too. I can't figure a way to say this without sounding like a company man, but it could seriously be the best compressor on the market for guitar work.

ship one to me to test and ill say it for you if its really that good, lol.

hehehe, in all seriousness though, i dont doubt it for a second. you guys always seemm to be really going for the best and not giving a **** about the mass production marketing nonsense that leads to so many bad products.

 

[scottish]

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here is one question for you though. how does it behave if you run it at the end of your chain? thats how i currently run my analogman because it gives you that endless trey anastasio sustain. if the doulble back can do that then ill switch just to suppport you guys.

 

[frankfalbo]

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It's absolutely fine at the end of the chain. The key is to balance gain with sustain. There are some key principles that govern it's use at the end of an effects chain, post overdrive:

The sustain knob is essentially a front end gain knob, deciding how hard to slam the compressor.

If you're giving the Double Back a strong signal, you can turn the sustain knob down

There is a massive abundance of sustain (input gain) in the double back. As it is, many people will not run the sustain knob past 1:00

Extra sustain means the noise floor of your signal will be raised. The Double Back is a very quiet compressor, but it has so much gain and sustain that if you put it at the end of your chain, and cranked the sustain knob, you would think it was noisy but it's not. It would also be compressing like crazy. If you put that much sustain in a Keeley or Ross clone, it would be noisier.

I've used post-overdrive compression many times in my rig for 20 years. During development I had a lot of discussions with the engineers about how I use it like that sometimes, but most guitarists will use it at the front end of the chain. The DB was designed with both usages in mind. Hope that helps, sorry for the rant.

 

[scottish]

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not a rant at all. all i want to know is if i can get that divided sky (phish) endless sustain from the DB. if so, ill switch to it in a heart beat just from the great rep you guys have with me.

Ive got my AM bi-comp sustain set at about 3pm. With a cranked TS-9 running into it i dont think its noisy and it sustains into sweet feedback forever. If the DB does that then im sold.

 

[Lazarus1140]

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Ive got my AM bi-comp sustain set at about 3pm. With a cranked TS-9 running into it i dont think its noisy and it sustains into sweet feedback

I run my AM Mini Bi-Comp first in my chain and typically use the Ross side with the sustain set to around 10:00. Even then, it seems to amplify noise from pedals that follow it.

 

[scottish]

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I run my AM Mini Bi-Comp first in my chain and typically use the Ross side with the sustain set to around 10:00. Even then, it seems to amplify noise from pedals that follow it.

i always use the ross side and maybe 3 was a little overstatement, probably more like 1. I really dont find it noisy though.

 

[Kosh Naranek]

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It's absolutely fine at the end of the chain.

vladmarr, Good news for you!

 

[Lu_B]

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Monte Allums Opto Mod CS-3

Is this worth doing? I'm toying with doing a MA mod to my CS3 instead of getting another compressor such as a Dyna Comp.

 

[scottish]

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Is this worth doing? I'm toying with doing a MA mod to my CS3 instead of getting another compressor such as a Dyna Comp.

I havent actually used one myself but ive heard only very good things about this particular mod. I think it will make your compressor a lot cleaner and glassier at lower sustain levels, but when you crank the sustain up optical compressors usually get very squishy.