What does the EMG 81 do?

I noticed quite a big difference in my personal experience. I had an ESP Eclipse that I bought used. The previous owner threw in a set of 81x/60x pickups. The stock 81/60 set sounded pretty dull compared to my other passive pickups. As soon as I swapped in the X series pickups, the dullness went away, and the bottom end tightened up. It was night and day/chalk and cheese for me. Check Mike Stamper’s comparison:
I used to have both, but that was back in the day.

I think that if you 18V mod a standard 81, that shootout would be a lot closer. I just preferred 18V modded standard 81's in that case for the stronger output.

But a Fluence is also close, but not quite the same. I just think Fluences just overall sound better doing the same kinda thing.
 
Thanks all. I think I'll give one a shot. I can probably get close with the gear I have, but without trying one I just won't know what I'm looking for. Good news is that the EMG Outlet store on Reverb has a bunch of good deals for silly things like "whoops we put the wrong color logo on this one" so I can get out for pretty cheap. Only thing to decide now is whether to put it in my 7 string or one of my 6s. The 6s are more familiar, and I still haven't quite bonded with the 7... anyways, thanks y'all for the input on this.
 
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It's actually somewhere around 2017 or 2018 that they replaced the opamp they were using. I remember posting about it in this forum, and someone replied that.

I had an EMG 85 and an EMG 57/66 set from 2020 which sounded like ****.

This got me wondering so I had to check my EMGs dates and find out what was the cutoff date for the op amp more precisely. This is the post in the thread you're referring to:
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/for...-preamp-design-recently?p=5756259#post5756259

The date seems to be somewhere around August 7th 2018.
Mine all range from 2015-early 2017, and all have the new logos ofc.

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Honestly what the EMG 81 did for me was make my VHT Pittbull 100CL feel like a chintzy modeling amp. I couldn't get it out of my guitar fast enough. Same basic issue with the Fishman Moderns, sadly. Maybe I would have liked it better if I'd been using a vintage amp with less natural compression; I have an old Traynor that can be boomy and doomy (actually use that for bass a lot) but it modernizes nicely when it's fed a tight signal. I guess you want to get the compression from somewhere, but not everywhere, and I prefer the sound of a more open guitar going into a hot amp, rather than the other way around.
 
alex1fly , if you want the classic sound, stay w 9 volts. If you want a rounder, more expressive sound, try 18 volts. If you want the fastest transients, go with 24 volts.

If you find the 81 bland you can always up the voltage to get a different character. Don't bother with the X line. They are the same as regular EMGs in 18 volts.

https://24voltmod.com/
 
Maybe im just an EMG hater, but I have tried them in a few different guitars. Lots of "chug" and honky mids and like others have already said, they are sterile and without character IMO. I just bought a 2002 Epiphone Elite Les Paul Standard that somebody put EMG 81/85 set into. I couldn't yank all the electronics any faster!
 
I really don't think you can emulate it specifically with anything else. EMGs sound that way because the coil wind is puny and then the signal boosted actively back up to the level of a normal pickup. That's what makes it special , so you really can't emulate it I don't think.. you can say that's what makes it have that smooth compression and sustain but other pickups have smooth compression and sustain, not the same. Dimarzio has those D-Activators specially designed to emulate it and they kinda got the EQ but they still don't sound active to me. I'd just get a set and try em out, it's a nice weapon to have in the rack
 
dave74 here's a more recent comparison if you like. I don't think they're more sterile at raised voltage; rather they start sounding more like an 85. But that's IMO.

I do agree that they equal out a lot of variables and make a variety of guitars sound the same. That consistency is great for metal, but it strikes others as sterile.

The big benefit of passive pickups is increased wiring options. I think if the OP wants wiring options and the 81 sound, an EMG HZ4 is the way to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nREoibCE7l4
 


I had a Charvel with Fishman Fluence Classics. Quite possibly the best sounding / playing actives ive ever had.

How do they compare to the Moderns? On paper they seemed great but ironically don't come in an active mount housing for 7 string. It was only after I removed the wiring from the guitar that I realized I could have probably cut off the tabs and chucked em in a standard 4 string bass soapbar housing, if they were worth committing to... I've never had a good experience with actives, but I'm still sort of curious.
 
How do they compare to the Moderns? On paper they seemed great but ironically don't come in an active mount housing for 7 string. It was only after I removed the wiring from the guitar that I realized I could have probably cut off the tabs and chucked em in a standard 4 string bass soapbar housing, if they were worth committing to... I've never had a good experience with actives, but I'm still sort of curious.

Well that guitar had a push / pull pot that went from classic to modern. Never played a 7 string and i can play bass but im no "bass player".
Fishman pickups are very well made & everything an EMG should be but isn't.
Id go out on a limb and say you can't go wrong but try it before you buy it.
 
Well that guitar had a push / pull pot that went from classic to modern. Never played a 7 string and i can play bass but im no "bass player".
Fishman pickups are very well made & everything an EMG should be but isn't.
Id go out on a limb and say you can't go wrong but try it before you buy it.

Cool... I'm guessing by "classic" and "modern" you mean the two different voices the Fluence Classic pickup has? I've had Moderns in 3 different guitars but never felt like they were "open" enough. Even on the "passive" voice, even with the alnico pickup in bridge position. Classics are supposed to be a lot closer to what I'm looking for, but they don't fit the guitar I want to try them in. The reason I mention 4-string bass soapbar covers is because they're almost exactly the same dimensions as 7-string active guitar pickups. Might make a cool receptacle for a good pickup that isn't available in that format.
 
Cool... I'm guessing by "classic" and "modern" you mean the two different voices the Fluence Classic pickup has? I've had Moderns in 3 different guitars but never felt like they were "open" enough. Even on the "passive" voice, even with the alnico pickup in bridge position. Classics are supposed to be a lot closer to what I'm looking for, but they don't fit the guitar I want to try them in. The reason I mention 4-string bass soapbar covers is because they're almost exactly the same dimensions as 7-string active guitar pickups. Might make a cool receptacle for a good pickup that isn't available in that format.



Yes Fishman described it as "voicings" but to me the Modern mode seemed to have more gain and or distortion. I always prefered the Classic voicing w/a boost pedal or overdrive.
But thru a 100 watt Marshall they were spectacular.
 
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Fishman Moderns and Classics are completely different animals.

Modern Ceramic in Voice 1 is kinda like a tighter and clearer 81. Voice 2 is kinda like a lower output X2N.

Classic Bridge in Voice 1 is kinda like a more open and airy '59. Voice 2 is kinda like a more well-balanced JB.
 
Fishman Moderns and Classics are completely different animals.

Modern Ceramic in Voice 1 is kinda like a tighter and clearer 81. Voice 2 is kinda like a lower output X2N.

Classic Bridge in Voice 1 is kinda like a more open and airy '59. Voice 2 is kinda like a more well-balanced JB.

I have one Schecter with the moderns. At first I was not so happy with them, but now I've worked with them for awhile and have my own string setup on the guitar they have really began to grow on me. Mine actually have the third single-coil voice also. The second/classic voice is probably my favorite overall.
 
As a fellow FM3 user, a lot of the benefits you would get from an EMG 81 can be dialed in the virtual gear and settings. The bigger issue is having patches set for active or passive pickup output level.

Never knew about the EMG preamp change. Makes me want to look at the dates of my pickups. I get most of mine from EMG outlet store on Reverb. Seems they're pretty low on stuff now. This response got huge as I am thinking of some pickup swaps in my near future.

I rarely see people mention this: Isnt one of the big things is the humbuckers are in parallel as you can't run EMGs in series? As a bass player I think of the classic Stingray MM in parallel. Very punchy, and clear - yet a bit choked down low. Compare humbuckers in series vs parallel. The Stingray preamp (which is a very complicated circuit - unlike the EMG) buffers the loss and scoop and then you can add back in bass and mids and the Stingray is a force. So in my limited understanding, an EMG humbucker you have two epoxied isolated coils ran parallel into a preamp that initially was low output and balanced, then the preamp boosts it back. This dynamic is what sounds great distorted, and why some feel they're sterile and lose dynamics. Personally, I think you're technique/playing style can accomdate and it not be a huge deal. I can understand someone used to PAFs or classic single coils plugging in for a few minutes and hating EMGs.

I have tried to love the Fluence (almost have tried all sets) but I have never sold off my EMGs. Seems when I want a passive or active, I have a specific idea in mind. Fluence is an interesting bridge of the two technologies. They're worth checking out. The 3voice Classics maybe the ultimate versatile pickup. I still want to checkout Duncan's BMP-1 that is part of the Gus set. The idea of an external preamp that can turn any pickups into an active system seems appealing. I am surprised I rately hear anyone talk about it. I have a duality set that I want to try mag swapping but need to confirm I wont break anything first.

Admittedly, I have been a fan of EMGs since I got an ESP as my first 'wow guitar'. At that time I was running around in hard rock / metal bands with hi gain. They do respond to pickup height and technique. They amplify your playing - so if you're sloppy it can make you sound terrible. The best thing ever is the tech convinced me to swap around EMGs instead of just keeping the 81 in the bridge and 85 in the neck. I prefer the the 85 in the bridge for everything except the lowest, crushing metal. My favorite setups for HSS are 85 / SA / SA or 89 / SLV / SLV or for HH 85b / 60An or 85b / 89n
I actually dig the single coil sound of an 89 over the 89R. The 57TW is great 89 replacement too.

The 58 is an amazing pickup to try for more classic tones. The local Guitar Slinger / Tech swears by the Tele set and his tone is admired.
 
As a fellow FM3 user, a lot of the benefits you would get from an EMG 81 can be dialed in the virtual gear and settings. The bigger issue is having patches set for active or passive pickup output level.

With the input pad? Or something else? I'm hoping the 81 doesn't need Level adjustments in every patch.
 
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