What has the Pearly Gates Poll taught us ???

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Aceman

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As much as I'd like to make some charts and graphs, I'll refrain. And while I'm not going to discuss sampling bias/error either (and don't any of you even ATTEMPT to have that conversation with me), I'll just round a couple of points where convenient. MAybe up, maybe down, most likely nearest.

So - the first take home is that it appears that about 75% of us have either owned or played sufficiently, to have an opinion. That also suggests that 25% of us don't have or play Pearlies. Honestly, that's a LOT of Pearly Gates experience out there overall. Let's just say most or many of us have some knowledge of the Pup in question.

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Of the respondents who had an opinion 26/47, or 57% said it was GOOD or ONE OF SEYMOUR'S BEST. . So of those with an opinion, nearly 70% have, shall we say, very positive regard for it. There were equal opportunities to say Bad/Worst.

All positive responses - those who loved the neck or bridge, were 77%, or nearly 4/5 people. So almost 4/5 people have some serious positive regard for this pickup. I'd say most who have played it seem to like it.

There were 3 definitely negative responses, hating one, the other, or just plain calling it bad that would be about 6%. Let's call it 1 in 20. REmember - no Worst replies.

Finally, there were 17% with an outright "It depends" they would not put down an unequivocal/qualified response. Whether this fence sitting is truly a "depends" response or a desire to not choose one of the other categories, or potentially just indecision is somewhat unknown. Maybe it really means just that - some guitars it worked, others it didn't.

Over HALF love it, nearly 80% like it in some form, of those who don't all but a small percentage of them appear to have had varying degrees of positive/negative experiences.

Interesting. We often discuss the person whose opinion is stated the loudest, or the most often, and on the intarweb, repeated 12 steps removed from the original. So I just thought I'd throw down a little "When asked directly" wisdom.

Is this perfect? No. As I said, sample bias, error, etc. Those are important things. But there were balanced and equal opportunities to like/dislike, of equal valence, with a neutral point, as well as a "out" if you didn't know it.
 
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I can see WHO this is all about.
 
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I'll have what she's having.
 
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Just about all pickups made by decent manufacturers would either be "good" or "it depends". There really shouldn't be "bad" non-OEM pickups out there.
 
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What year did the Pearly Gates go on the market? It looks like the Duncan-Gibbons collaboration happened sometime around 1980. I think it interesting that the sonic merits of a pickup nearly as old as I am is still being discussed as if it had just came out a month ago.
 
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What year did the Pearly Gates go on the market? It looks like the Duncan-Gibbons collaboration happened sometime around 1980. I think it interesting that the sonic merits of a pickup nearly as old as I am is still being discussed as if it had just came out a month ago.

I think it interesting that you're still posting in Aceman's threads after he called you out in every sub-forum.
 
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The PAF came out in 57. Its still an interesting topic now. Why does interest in a younger pickup surprise you???

Also there are newer pickups on the market in the same sonic ballpark, and the whole boutique PAF clone bit has really taken off in the last few years or so. Surely even you can spot that there is interest in comparing the new with established winds.
 
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I didn't say I was surprised, I said I found it interesting. If anything, everyone in general seems somewhat surprised. Take the JB for example, it's quite something that there's still a debate going on about what kind of wood a JB pairs well with considering it came out in '77. You'd think it's profile against various woods would be well established by now, easily referenced, and not the scatter shot of forum opinion that it is in 2014. The relative vagueness that still surround these pickups is what I would expect of a product that had been released a few months ago, where few people have bought it, few people have reviewed it, etc., not a product that is 35+ years old.
 
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I think that part of the reason that I waited so long to try these was simply that the name "Pearly Gates" evokes the feel of ZZ Tops "Tres Hombres" album. It's a great sound, but not one that I was particularly shooting for. Now that I've installed a pair in my Cort, I may nickname this axe, "The Queen of Clean". It sounds nothing like I expected. Not even in the ball park of a '59. IMHO.
 
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That's a funny thing; people think they have a pretty solid understanding of what PAF ought to sound like, and yet here's Pearly Gates, a replica (to some extent or another) of Billy Gibbons' pickups from a '59 Les Paul, that don't sound much like the '59 model, nor the typical PAF pickup offering.
 
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That's a funny thing; people think they have a pretty solid understanding of what PAF ought to sound like, and yet here's Pearly Gates, a replica (to some extent or another) of Billy Gibbons' pickups from a '59 Les Paul, that don't sound much like the '59 model, nor the typical PAF pickup offering.


..that don't sound like the PAF 36th that are clones of the ones in Larry's Les Paul...

The list goes on.
 
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What year did the Pearly Gates go on the market? It looks like the Duncan-Gibbons collaboration happened sometime around 1980. I think it interesting that the sonic merits of a pickup nearly as old as I am is still being discussed as if it had just came out a month ago.

Tone has changed a lot, even in 10 years. When I started using guitar forums about 8 years ago, people were still arguing about true bypass and Mesa Boogie was the suggestion to just about every amp thread. Demoes were done by overchorused or over-gained DeMarco brothers (Are they brothers, or just clones?) or worse, Paul from Guitar World was considered the height of modern tone. I feel like in general, tone and our understanding of sound has gotten so much better as the guitar and effects market has gotten so much more transparent. It's totally valid to go back and discuss the tonal merits of even the OLDEST of p'ups, the JB, Super Distortion etc and see how they fall with modern ears. Sound is about much more than what appears on an output chart, as interesting as I think your posts are from an electrical engineering standpoint.
 
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I feel like in general, tone and our understanding of sound has gotten so much better as the guitar and effects market has gotten so much more transparent. It's totally valid to go back and discuss the tonal merits of even the OLDEST of p'ups, the JB, Super Distortion etc and see how they fall with modern ears. Sound is about much more than what appears on an output chart, as interesting as I think your posts are from an electrical engineering standpoint.

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And - for all of the new product and innovation, very interesting to see that some of the classics really hold up.
 
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Having never owned/used PGs, I could only go with that answer, regardless of any opinion I may have voiced from what I have heard online. I try to speak as I find, the best I can.

I'd love to "go try [insert item here] out at your nearest stockist" for a fair few musical things, especially pickups, but I've never seen such a possibility here in London, even in Tin Pan Alley. Being able to form a proper opinion feels very distant to how it's thought we'd get one.

A bit neither here, nor there I guess, just a thought that sprung to mind when reading this :)
 
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I don't know if I voted in the poll (been on tapatalk recently and either it doesn't show polls or my version is old) but I would have voted for the "love the set/one of Seymour's best" option. Disregard that if I did vote in the poll by the way.


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I voted, but never read the thread to see what the issue/purpose was.

I voted "depends" even though I think they are just about Seymour's best PAF type and one of his best, period.

But they do not work in every guitar ( I have had them in 6 or 7 so far) Thus my vote. I find, much like a JB or Super Distortion, the PG tends to overwhelm a guitar's natural tone and make them all sound relatively the same.
 
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