Lake Placid Blues
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Re: What has the Pearly Gates Poll taught us ???
+1 That's exactly why I voted depends as well.
+1 That's exactly why I voted depends as well.
What has the Pearly Gates Poll taught us ???
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DreX
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Re: What has the Pearly Gates Poll taught us ???
That's an interesting take on it, I'm not sure that's 100% it, though. There are trends, like magnet and coil swapping seems to be big all of the sudden, but there are a lot of discussion that are trend-free, like the way a PG or JB interacts with mahogany versus bass wood should be the same now as it was at any other point in time. When I do Google searches and pull up threads talking about JBs or PGs from 2004 or 2007, I see some of the the same forum members in those threads, posting remarks about those pickups which seem like they could have been written yesterday. It's not usually the case in most corners of the Internet that I have to look at the date stamp to figure out what decade a post was written in.
The funny thing about mentioning amplifiers is that a common complaint in these forums is that people will talk about pickups without ever mentioning a) the amp they're using, or b) the style of music they play, so even though the context of music style and amplification changes over the years, it's often not even acknowledged in discussion.
One nice thing about the polls is that they can help form a clear consensus which can be referred to later, though. It would be nice to see more of them, and on a wider range of topics.
I never said the discussion was invalid, if that's what you're suggesting.
It's amazing what people will infer. The fact that I post charts doesn't mean I think the chart is the entirety of what is interesting about pickups. If I thought the sum of pickups was electrical output response, I wouldn't have bought fifty+ sets in the past fifteen to twenty years. Seymour Duncan and other pickup makers list DC resistance on their pages, and occasionally they list peak resonance and inductance. Would you also infer from the fact that Seymour Duncan posts DCR, peak resonance and inductance figures on their website, that these figures must also represent the entirety of a pickups tonal qualities?
What I love the most about the frequency graphs is that a) it's real data b) it's often new data, c) it allows for objective, rather than subjective, comparisons between two or more pickups. No "to my ears, the PG is brighter than the '59". The PG either is, or is not, in fact, brighter than a '59. We shouldn't have to leave the measurable properties of a pickup to subjective opinion for another thirty years.
That's an interesting take on it, I'm not sure that's 100% it, though. There are trends, like magnet and coil swapping seems to be big all of the sudden, but there are a lot of discussion that are trend-free, like the way a PG or JB interacts with mahogany versus bass wood should be the same now as it was at any other point in time. When I do Google searches and pull up threads talking about JBs or PGs from 2004 or 2007, I see some of the the same forum members in those threads, posting remarks about those pickups which seem like they could have been written yesterday. It's not usually the case in most corners of the Internet that I have to look at the date stamp to figure out what decade a post was written in.
The funny thing about mentioning amplifiers is that a common complaint in these forums is that people will talk about pickups without ever mentioning a) the amp they're using, or b) the style of music they play, so even though the context of music style and amplification changes over the years, it's often not even acknowledged in discussion.
One nice thing about the polls is that they can help form a clear consensus which can be referred to later, though. It would be nice to see more of them, and on a wider range of topics.
I never said the discussion was invalid, if that's what you're suggesting.
It's amazing what people will infer. The fact that I post charts doesn't mean I think the chart is the entirety of what is interesting about pickups. If I thought the sum of pickups was electrical output response, I wouldn't have bought fifty+ sets in the past fifteen to twenty years. Seymour Duncan and other pickup makers list DC resistance on their pages, and occasionally they list peak resonance and inductance. Would you also infer from the fact that Seymour Duncan posts DCR, peak resonance and inductance figures on their website, that these figures must also represent the entirety of a pickups tonal qualities?
What I love the most about the frequency graphs is that a) it's real data b) it's often new data, c) it allows for objective, rather than subjective, comparisons between two or more pickups. No "to my ears, the PG is brighter than the '59". The PG either is, or is not, in fact, brighter than a '59. We shouldn't have to leave the measurable properties of a pickup to subjective opinion for another thirty years.
DreX
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Re: What has the Pearly Gates Poll taught us ???
When I said "it's interesting...", other people in their replies had rephrased that as "it's surprising..." and "it's invalid...", so I have to clear up those mischaracterizations, and then, of course, UIG chums securb and big flannel are throwing stones from sidelines... I'm most definitely put on the defensive.
When I said "it's interesting...", other people in their replies had rephrased that as "it's surprising..." and "it's invalid...", so I have to clear up those mischaracterizations, and then, of course, UIG chums securb and big flannel are throwing stones from sidelines... I'm most definitely put on the defensive.
frankfalbo
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blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: What has the Pearly Gates Poll taught us ???
It's a free country and anyone can join in the conversation. Aceman is a member, not a Duncan employee or moderator, so he's just like the rest of us and has to deal with what comes his way. He's 'in the kitchen' often enough with his contests and polls, so obviously he can 'take the heat.' Threads are open to anyone, & OP's aren't always going to get things their way. That's life on the forum.
It's a free country and anyone can join in the conversation. Aceman is a member, not a Duncan employee or moderator, so he's just like the rest of us and has to deal with what comes his way. He's 'in the kitchen' often enough with his contests and polls, so obviously he can 'take the heat.' Threads are open to anyone, & OP's aren't always going to get things their way. That's life on the forum.
Big Flannel
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Re: What has the Pearly Gates Poll taught us ???
You have shine light into parts of my mind where once there was only darkness. You are my hero.
Thank you for bringing about this reawakening. I look forward to hearing you jam at my homecoming gathering.
Gee, Rick... thanks for clarifying that for me. See, I was under the impression all of this was just a creation of my fragmented conscious with the purpose of sustaing my broken body as I float aimlessly throughout the universe in my escape pod.
You have shine light into parts of my mind where once there was only darkness. You are my hero.
Thank you for bringing about this reawakening. I look forward to hearing you jam at my homecoming gathering.
Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
Re: What has the Pearly Gates Poll taught us ???
How dare you! Aceman is NOT like the rest of us. Aceman is my hero.
How dare you! Aceman is NOT like the rest of us. Aceman is my hero.
Securb
One of Jerry's Kids
Re: What has the Pearly Gates Poll taught us ???
First off the UIG no longer exists. Secondly, to tell you the truth Big Flannel is not a friend I can barely tolerate him. Finally, I have asked you politely not to engage me by PM or in the forums.
First off the UIG no longer exists. Secondly, to tell you the truth Big Flannel is not a friend I can barely tolerate him. Finally, I have asked you politely not to engage me by PM or in the forums.
ExplorersRock
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Re: What has the Pearly Gates Poll taught us ???
I love this forum. GAME ON BOYS!!!
I love this forum. GAME ON BOYS!!!
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blueman335
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Apparently I 'have shine light into parts of my mind,' but I've got my work cut out for me as far as your grammar is concerned. Do your best and maybe it will sink in that anyone can post in any thread, whether the OP's like it or not. They're not moderators.
Apparently I 'have shine light into parts of my mind,' but I've got my work cut out for me as far as your grammar is concerned. Do your best and maybe it will sink in that anyone can post in any thread, whether the OP's like it or not. They're not moderators.
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Aceman
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Re: What has the Pearly Gates Poll taught us ???
Because you WANT to discuss those things? Because you think you CAN discuss them with me? Because I have chose to not discuss them?
Where you going with this Frank?
Because you WANT to discuss those things? Because you think you CAN discuss them with me? Because I have chose to not discuss them?
Where you going with this Frank?
Aceman
I am your doctor of love!
Re: What has the Pearly Gates Poll taught us ???
Indeed - yet I took his interesting as merely meaning interesting. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Yes it is, but it is NOT a free forum, and no they can't.
You went with the Fancy outfit. :clap:
No, I am not like the rest of you Earthlings.
- Beat the pants off devin in Fantasy Football
- Got my bike back for free
- Retrieved a custom wound 9k Pearly Gates from a vicious pack of Dingos in the Hollywood hills single handedly
- Sand onstage with KISS America tribute last Saturday night
- I can go on, but those two lovely ladies probably don't want their names mentioned.
So lets discuss some of the 'depends' factors. DreX did raise a reasonable issue. Old pickup is old (if not awesome), are there REALLY any well known PG "no" factors? And if so, what would they be?
Indeed - yet I took his interesting as merely meaning interesting. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Yes it is, but it is NOT a free forum, and no they can't.
How dare you! Aceman is NOT like the rest of us. Aceman is my hero.
You went with the Fancy outfit. :clap:
No, I am not like the rest of you Earthlings.
- Beat the pants off devin in Fantasy Football
- Got my bike back for free
- Retrieved a custom wound 9k Pearly Gates from a vicious pack of Dingos in the Hollywood hills single handedly
- Sand onstage with KISS America tribute last Saturday night
- I can go on, but those two lovely ladies probably don't want their names mentioned.
So lets discuss some of the 'depends' factors. DreX did raise a reasonable issue. Old pickup is old (if not awesome), are there REALLY any well known PG "no" factors? And if so, what would they be?
Big Flannel
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Re: What has the Pearly Gates Poll taught us ???
Yes, auto correct is the bane of my existence; however, you are still an arrogant pedant with illusions of grandeur.
Tell me again about your holy guitar rig. You know, the one that nobody has ever heard or seen?
You're a broken record and a miserable old snob that provides no insight into anyone's threads. Every bit of "advice" that you offer is a tongue-in-cheek stab at your "flavor of the day" forum nemesis.
So in closing: Get off your high horse, Napoleon. You're barking up the wrong tree and none of us take you seriously.
That's all you've got? Really?
Yes, auto correct is the bane of my existence; however, you are still an arrogant pedant with illusions of grandeur.
Tell me again about your holy guitar rig. You know, the one that nobody has ever heard or seen?
You're a broken record and a miserable old snob that provides no insight into anyone's threads. Every bit of "advice" that you offer is a tongue-in-cheek stab at your "flavor of the day" forum nemesis.
So in closing: Get off your high horse, Napoleon. You're barking up the wrong tree and none of us take you seriously.
frankfalbo
In Fluence Y'all
Re: What has the Pearly Gates Poll taught us ???
Only that I'd have to refer to those things to answer your question. It teaches more about our interaction among one another than it does anything else. Unless and until people get to know one another, their level of expertise, their personality (whether combative, opinionated, diplomatic, self-focused, others-focused, etc) the exchange of advice is equally benefited from the low barrier of entry (both socially and technologically) as it is degenerated by those very same freedoms. If I were to get into what it teaches us about the Pearly Gates, or the way we collectively feel about any particular pickup, I'd have to break your rules.
Big Flannel
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Re: What has the Pearly Gates Poll taught us ???
Oh boy, oh boy. Rick sure has been viewing this thread for a long time. I hope he posts something good!
Get your Tobias memes ready!
Oh boy, oh boy. Rick sure has been viewing this thread for a long time. I hope he posts something good!
Get your Tobias memes ready!
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Funkfingers
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Re: What has the Pearly Gates Poll taught us ???
Drex. I am the one who used the expression invalid. This was a specific reference to a long-standing forum tradition that, in any poll, on any topic, thou shalt include the Rob Option. To fail to do so renders ANY poll invalid.
Drex. I am the one who used the expression invalid. This was a specific reference to a long-standing forum tradition that, in any poll, on any topic, thou shalt include the Rob Option. To fail to do so renders ANY poll invalid.
Chris of Arabia
Desert RATT
Re: What has the Pearly Gates Poll taught us ???
Can you OD on popcorn? More pertinently, is it safe to go cold turkey from the stuff?
Can you OD on popcorn? More pertinently, is it safe to go cold turkey from the stuff?
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