What if ?! - Invader/Fullshred/Custom

[Dr.Mavashi]

What if invader’s hockey pots poles, would be put into bridge side of Fullshred, and FullShred’s “tubes” into bridge side or custom ???

 

[Mincer]

I am sure someone has done experiments like this. Thing is, what are you hoping for?

 

[beaubrummels]

Can't speak to ceramic Custom, but putting Duncan allen heads into a Custom 5 sounds like a loud Screamin' Demon. I've never owned an Invader and can't speak to putting those screws into anything else. I can say I put some 3rd party allen heads into a 59 once; the heads were too big to sink down into the bobbin, and it became extremely scooped, it was just the top and just the bottom end almost nothing else. It was a completely different pickup. Would have been a great metal rhythm pickup.

 

[Clint 55]

The mushroom caps won't fit in the bobbins made for hexz or filisters. It's fun swapping screw poles tho, you can get good effects from trying things out. Fyi, the fs is part of the custom family and has identical coils.

 

[Dr.Mavashi]

The reason I asked was a bit more FullShred’s precision in a Custom ( I love custom, but also love Fullshred ) and a bit more invader like kick from Fullshred, so I can basically go into a lead channel mode from rhythm by volume roll from 7 to 10.

 

[Clint 55]

You can't stick the mushroom caps into a Full Shred. But you can put hexs in a Custom, I'm sure it would sound cool.

 

[ErikH]

A Full Shred is very similar to the Custom family. In fact, I believe it uses the same coils as the Custom family. The difference being the pole pieces. A hex/slug setup in one of the Customs would be interesting to hear.

 

[Masta' C]

The reason I asked was a bit more FullShred’s precision in a Custom ( I love custom, but also love Fullshred ) and a bit more invader like kick from Fullshred, so I can basically go into a lead channel mode from rhythm by volume roll from 7 to 10.

As Clint #2 said, you can't put the large invader poles in the Full Shred or Custom, but on the Custom, you could swap regular hex poles in place of the fillisters (or swap the hex poles on the Full Shred for regular fillisters).

To boost the Fullshred, swap the stock A5 magnet to a Ceramic or A8.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

I don't like the Custom, but I bet the Ceramic Full Shred would sound killer withtout the Custom's rumbly bass.

 

[Aceman]

The Duncan Detonator is a Distortion with Invader caps, so I imagine the effect would be similar.

 

[Darth Nihilus]

I'm trying to find something that's as close to an active EMG 81 tone in a passive design. I've narrowed it down to the Custom and the Full Shred. To me the Custom is closer to what I want but the Full Shred is very similar with less bite but killer pick attack.

I'm going to order a Custom Shop SH-5 Custom with hex screws on both coils like the Full Shred. I'm hoping this will tighten the low end further while accentuating the midrange and high end giving me the bite I LOVE from the 81. We'll see how the experiment works out

 

[Top-L]

I'm trying to find something that's as close to an active EMG 81 tone in a passive design. I've narrowed it down to the Custom and the Full Shred. To me the Custom is closer to what I want but the Full Shred is very similar with less bite but killer pick attack.

I'm going to order a Custom Shop SH-5 Custom with hex screws on both coils like the Full Shred. I'm hoping this will tighten the low end further while accentuating the midrange and high end giving me the bite I LOVE from the 81. We'll see how the experiment works out

IMO, use a pickup like the Full Shred with a PA-2 booster.

I used to experiment with this alot. My favorite back in the day was the PAF Pro with the PA2. Unfocused pickups like a PAF or 59 wont work, but if the pickup is naturally sharp and medium output, it works well with the PA2 boost.

The EMG 81s are hard to imitate because they have a very weak magnet that is right up close to the strings, giving it air that it shouldn't have for a high output ceramic. They are also low impedance, so the PA2 would at least get you that part of the equation.

 

[Demanic]

I'm trying to find something that's as close to an active EMG 81 tone in a passive design. I've narrowed it down to the Custom and the Full Shred. To me the Custom is closer to what I want but the Full Shred is very similar with less bite but killer pick attack.

I'm going to order a Custom Shop SH-5 Custom with hex screws on both coils like the Full Shred. I'm hoping this will tighten the low end further while accentuating the midrange and high end giving me the bite I LOVE from the 81. We'll see how the experiment works out

Then what you want is a Lace Deathbucker.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

I wouldn't think the Full Shred is anything like the 81, TBH.

The FS is kinda sorta scooped. The 81 is the opposite of scooped because it has no low-end at all and a not particularly open high-end either.

 

[Phantasmagoria]

Then what you want is a Lace Deathbucker.

In the right guitar, the Deathbucker sounds absolutely killer :bigthumb:

But despite what Lace says it is'nt really like an 81. It's way more balanced with deeper lows & better (rounder) highs....also way more open sounding in the mids (nowhere near as compressed). Harmonic overtones through the roof.

Not quite as tight for chuggy rhythms, but still pretty tight & punchy...

 

[Dr.Mavashi]

As Clint #2 said, you can't put the large invader poles in the Full Shred or Custom, but on the Custom, you could swap regular hex poles in place of the fillisters (or swap the hex poles on the Full Shred for regular fillisters).

To boost the Fullshred, swap the stock A5 magnet to a Ceramic or A8.

Will hex poles in Custom make it a bit more focused ? Will fillisters in Fullshred make it more open and meatier in PAFish way ?

 

[orpheo]

Who has ever here taken apart an invader and played with the bobbins? I have.

The bobbins are normal. Standard. The caps are HUGE, yes, but the bolt underneath has the same diameter as the regular slug polepiece, but with a thread. It threads not in the bobbin, but in the wax. So you can easily take it out and add a Dimarzio-style hex bolt (threaded insert it's called I believe), or a slug.


You can tell by the small logo that it is an invader, but I swapped the big cap polepieces for DMZ style slugs.

 

[orpheo]

Will hex poles in Custom make it a bit more focused ? Will fillisters in Fullshred make it more open and meatier in PAFish way ?

hex will tighten it up, and add more hig-end. Fillisters in the fullshred will make it fatter, add more mids and low mids.

Paf-ish openness will not be possible with the FS as it is because of its 43awg wire.

 

[Dr.Mavashi]

Orpheo, sounds like all the options are possible, I can put FullShred’s hexes into Custom, and put hex into a neck side of invader, and I can put customs fillesters into a Fullshred. I wonder which option of the three would be closest to what I look. And which will work better in a mahogany Rhoads V ?

 

[ToneFiddler]

Duncan hexes (demon/full shred) are interchangeable with filisters.
slugs/invader caps are only interchangeable with the thick Dimarzio hex grub/set screws.
(dimarzio uses different types of hex screws. Headless and with head so to speak, but for this thing headless ones/ grub screws)