What is it about Gibson...

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FretFire said:
I don't know, to me looks come second to tone and playability. I think if I found a guitar that played perfectly for me and nailed my tone, some finish bleeding onto the binding or a smudge under the clear coat probably wouldn't keep me from buying it.
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Ding ding ding...we have a winner.

FWIW both of my PRS I bought this (err last) year had electronics failures (bad rotary in the C24, bad pup in the McCarty)

Six of one half a dozen of the other.
 
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JeffB said:
Ding ding ding...we have a winner.

FWIW both of my PRS I bought this (err last) year had electronics failures (bad rotary in the C24, bad pup in the McCarty)

Six of one half a dozen of the other.
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but the problem is that Gibsons are much higher priced
i dont care about looks buit if im gonna pay $300-$1000 bucks more for the "Gibson" name brand on it, i expect it to not be flawed

is this unreasonable?
 
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Now I'll probably get flamed for this, but I own an Epi LP Classic Plus, and had it professionally setup. I tried out an older friend's 92 Gibson LP Standard, and I wouldn't trade my Epi for it. For a $1000 price difference, I didn't feel $1000 of tone and playability in my hands, IMHO.
 
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JeffB said:
I posted on that thread...

I did too

ya want me to email ya a pic to show ya how big it is? :laugh2:

Umm, no....I'm more concerned that you in fact, HAVE a pic of it. :laugh2:

I don't personally expect the former, or do any of the latter.

But a lot of them do.

I like my Gibsons...plain and simple. I hope the rest of ya stop buying them cos then the prices will come down and I can afford more.
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A well done Paul is a thing of beauty. No question of it. Trashing PRS over there is just something you do or else you get banned. :) I'm pretty sure it in the rules. :) No, really. I think it is.:laugh2:
 
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Tux789 said:
but the problem is that Gibsons are much higher priced
i dont care about looks buit if im gonna pay $300-$1000 bucks more for the "Gibson" name brand on it, i expect it to not be flawed

is this unreasonable?
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IME, NOTHING is perfect made by hand. If a Human is involved, ain't gonna happen...

What's reasonable for one may not be for another. And not to sound like an @$$, but I could care less what others do or don't find reasonable.

Feel and tone is most important for me...if they aren't there I could care less how perfect it is built. My Hamer is damn near perfect and the prettiest guitar I've ever owned. It doesn't play as well or sound as good as my R8. Off it goes. So did the C24 and McCarty. :shrug:

No doubt production Gibsons can be goofy. I won't dispute that. So don't buy 'em. Buy whatever else ya want.. simple really.
 
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Tux789 said:
but the problem is that Gibsons are much higher priced
i dont care about looks buit if im gonna pay $300-$1000 bucks more for the "Gibson" name brand on it, i expect it to not be flawed

is this unreasonable?
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No matter what brand you look at, there are going to be some with a flaw here and there. Gibson might have a higher frequency of issues, but if I was in the market for an LP and found one with the feel and the tone that just happened to have a cosmetic issue, I'd probably still snag it. In fact I might even get a discount on it because of the blemish.
 
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TheArchitect said:
A well done Paul is a thing of beauty. No question of it. Trashing PRS over there is just something you do or else you get banned. :) I'm pretty sure it in the rules. :) No, really. I think it is.:laugh2:
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well, I think *I* explained my reasoning on it well, and hope I didn't come off as sounding like the typical LP Forum-ite. I think I made it quite clear why I do and do not like PRS guitars (at least more than a Paula), based on my own experiences. But you are right there's alot of ...errr...characters...over there.

PICs on the way...clear out that inbox :D
 
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It's Deborah now. Dude, get wif it.
 
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PRS guitars have their own tone, Gibsons have their tone, it's apples and oranges to me.

PRS has some amazing quality control, but I just don't dig the tones as much as the Gibsons I've owned. It's all due to my personal taste, I wouldn't say one is necessarily *better* than the other.

Gibsons are just so cool and maybe I've been brainwashed by the tens of thousands of musicians that have sworn by them since before I was born. I pick some up and I'm inspired, plain and simple. It saddens me that the quality control isn't flawless and I've played plenty that I thought were garbage, but I have played some that I thought were truly great guitars.

I will continue to buy Gibsons and I won't settle on the ones that are poorly done.
 
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You also have to remember that the vast majority of guitar buyers are not like us picky fanatics on message boards. Most don't notice things like a pinhead of finish that's bled onto the binding, or a tiny bubble under the clear.
 
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Gearjoneser said:
By the way, I CAN'T WAIT till after NAMM. When PRS starts rolling out the new Singlecuts, McCarties, and Customs!!!!......it's all over! Gibson is gonna be eating a sh!t sandwich, when PRS's guitars just stomp them in every way.
With a PRS, you can pull one off the wall, and know that the final setup has been done to perfection. Just take it home and enjoy!

With new Gibsons, you can take one home, and shoot arrows in your backyard with it.......well, until you pay $45 for a nut slotting, truss, and intonation adjustment.
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Don't judge all Les Pauls by the ones that have been abused at GC. I fell for the same thing many years ago.

The biggest difference between a PRS and a Les Paul in Guitar Center, the PRS takes a big flat-blade screw driver to adjust the action, the Gibson just takes any old booger-encrusted thumb to spin that wheel up or down.

GC just doesn't care about the conditions of the Les Pauls in their place. That's my conclusion based on the same thing that Joe is describing above. Non of them play worth a crap with bad intonation, action and strings you could get Hepatitis from.
 
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Tux789 said:
but the problem is that Gibsons are much higher priced
i dont care about looks buit if im gonna pay $300-$1000 bucks more for the "Gibson" name brand on it, i expect it to not be flawed

is this unreasonable?
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My experience has shown that PRS are about the same price overall as Gibsons.

That PRS McCarty BLE (the one T4D bought) was a "custom shop" type axe equivalent to a good Custom Shop LP (59 RI) and it cost about $3300 new. So, maybe you are referring to the PRS SE Line. If so, you need to compare to Epiphone.

I love PRS. Truth of the matter, no matter what PRS I pick up, it always seems to be "ready for action." Even the ones in GC. I thnk it's the thumbwheel bridge on LP's versus needinga tool to adjust the action on a PRS. If Gibson's came with Tonepros as a stock item, they'd eliminate a lot of these action problems.

Also, if I'm going to get a guitar new, I'd rather the nut be cut a bit high rather than to be a bit low. It's easy to file down a nut, hard to make one grow.
 
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JeffB said:
well, I think *I* explained my reasoning on it well, and hope I didn't come off as sounding like the typical LP Forum-ite. I think I made it quite clear why I do and do not like PRS guitars (at least more than a Paula), based on my own experiences. But you are right there's alot of ...errr...characters...over there.

PICs on the way...clear out that inbox :D
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Actually you were one of the handful to make a reasonable argument. Preferring Gibson over PRS or Vice Versa doesn't bother me one way or the other. Its the ridiculous justifications some people offer up that just boggle the mind. For some reason they seem to think you must find a reason to hate PRS to justify your LP purchase. On the other hand if you go to Birds and Moons or TGP, most guys have both and don't think anything of it. Its just the culture of the LPF I guess.
 
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JeffB said:
I'd still hit it :smokin:
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The night I met my wife waaaay back in the mid to late 80's, I went to this bar on a Sunday night (something I'd never have done if they hadn't closed down the school I was teaching at because of the Pope's visit to San Antonio), but I was went into this bar cuz my favorite bar was closed and they had some bimbo named Debbie Gibson singing. I almost balked at the cover but there were a lot of hot chicks in there. My wife was there as a big Debbie Gibson fan.

It was karma. I love Debbie Gibson cuz she helped me meet my Debi. :)
 
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Scott_F said:
My experience has shown that PRS are about the same price overall as Gibsons.

That PRS McCarty BLE (the one T4D bought) was a "custom shop" type axe equivalent to a good Custom Shop LP (59 RI) and it cost about $3300 new. So, maybe you are referring to the PRS SE Line. If so, you need to compare to Epiphone.

I love PRS. Truth of the matter, no matter what PRS I pick up, it always seems to be "ready for action." Even the ones in GC. I thnk it's the thumbwheel bridge on LP's versus needinga tool to adjust the action on a PRS. If Gibson's came with Tonepros as a stock item, they'd eliminate a lot of these action problems.

Also, if I'm going to get a guitar new, I'd rather the nut be cut a bit high rather than to be a bit low. It's easy to file down a nut, hard to make one grow.
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Maybe if you took a picture of it......:):laugh2:
 
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