What is the smallest "power" amp?

Is there a comparison out there between the different classes of amps and how many decibels are being put out using the same cab?

I've never heard one. But I've heard people complain about the EH not being loud enough through a 4x12. I have personally tried the PowerStages, and all of them are crazy loud, but they are a little bigger. I haven't seen a roundup of all of these types of amps.
 
I've never heard one. But I've heard people complain about the EH not being loud enough through a 4x12. I have personally tried the PowerStages, and all of them are crazy loud, but they are a little bigger. I haven't seen a roundup of all of these types of amps.

I guess "loud enough" is relative. I've gone live with a 5w tube amp into a 2x12 and have gotten through the night comfortably.

It'd be interesting to see how much db's amps put out regardless of wattage.

I may need to start shopping for a decibel meter...
 
The watts of a 20-watt Class-D pocket-sized amp and a 20-watt tube amplifier are the same, BUTTTTT the way the two amps operate and distort are different. Linear amplifiers like a Class-D amp, for instance, amplify 20hz to 20khz in pretty much linear fashion, which means that they amplify more bandwidth; leading to distortion and reduced headroom sooner than perhaps a less linear amplifier. The less bandwidth an amplifier amplifies, the more apparent level it may have over that limited bandwidth. The analogy would be 20 watts worth of power from 20hz to 20khz vs. 20 watts of power only amplifying a 1khz sine wave. The 20 watts of 1khz sine wave will beam a hole in your head so fast you didn't even hear it first. Then there is the nature of the distortion. Digital distortion is not good sounding, so when you hear it, it is obvious. Tube distortion is subtle, sweet, and enjoyable, so when you hear it, you are not as annoyed, which means you will allow a much higher level of distortion before you say yuck, that sounds bad now. The wattage dissipation is the same between the two amps, but one is held to a higher level of scrutiny and is working a little harder to amplify the signal you are sending it, reducing some of the headroom and ultimately lowering the apparent volume.

Even if the amps had a difference in wattage that was off by half ( a 20-watt vs. a 10-watt amp ) the volume difference would only be 3db. That is not enough to really say one is considerably louder than the other. Certainly not enough to make one be able to go over the drums and the other unable to go over the drums. It all comes down to perceived level and accepted levels of distortion. When you hear bad distortion your stop, when you hear good distortion you keep going. Digital Class-D amps have bad sounding distortion vs. that of tube amps. But if the two amps are rated at 20 watts, both will produce at least 20 watts ( or at least they should ). A few watts is + or - is not enough to make or break either one.
 
I guess "loud enough" is relative. I've gone live with a 5w tube amp into a 2x12 and have gotten through the night comfortably.

It'd be interesting to see how much db's amps put out regardless of wattage.

I may need to start shopping for a decibel meter...

I am just relating it to a conventional head/4x12 cab setup. A 44 watt pedal power amp isn't nearly as loud as most 50-100 watt heads, but every Powerstage certainly is.
 
I tried writing the reply in the image description but I cant seem to see the whole thing. Anyways its the smallest i have made uaing tge tpa3118 board from ebay, it does need external PSU which at the moment im using a 12V@2A adapter. It gives 60W@4ohms or 2ohms when powered by 24V@5A i think cant remember now, i use it with a 8" speaker rated for 40W@4ohms. It stays well within the safety margin with the lowered psu rating for me.

i made two others uaing different chips, one is 220W@4ohms & other 100W@4ohms, those i got a LRS power supply to power properly. These power ratings drop by half as the load is doubled so for 16ohm it would be 65W & 25W each. I have run them through a 4x12 cab, even the tiny one from the pic. They were plently load and a clean sound of the 65W kept up with my 50W tube amp. Since the distortion was being generated by a preamp pedal im not sure if there were issues keeping up since i didnt hear any nasty clipping at loud volumes.
 

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Tiny rig with a Baby Bomb, and something else that gives you a DI out (Moore Radar maybe?) you should have enough for some stage volume then the PA does the main work?
An AMT legend series 2 into a Baby bomb from the preamp out, and the cabsim out to the PA would give you 1.5 channels to power a cab and also DI out.

Have you checked out the Hotone Legend floor series? 75 watts (into 4ohms); 2 channels with separate volume, gain, and 3-band EQ; adjustable pre-amp boost; effects loop; reverb; balanced XLR out with switchable cab sim; line out; speaker out.

The red version has channels based on Tweed and Recto sounds, and the black one channels are based on AC30 and Super Lead tones.
 
There are a few videos on YouTube if you search “Mooer baby bomb 4x12”, but I’ve been to a punk gig before and realised after a band’s set that one if the guitarists had been using an Orange Micro Terror into a 4x12.
 
There are a few videos on YouTube if you search “Mooer baby bomb 4x12”, but I’ve been to a punk gig before and realised after a band’s set that one if the guitarists had been using an Orange Micro Terror into a 4x12.

THAT is punk!
 
i made two others uaing different chips, one is 220W@4ohms & other 100W@4ohms, those i got a LRS power supply to power properly. These power ratings drop by half as the load is doubled so for 16ohm it would be 65W & 25W each. I have run them through a 4x12 cab, even the tiny one from the pic. They were plently load and a clean sound of the 65W kept up with my 50W tube amp. Since the distortion was being generated by a preamp pedal im not sure if there were issues keeping up since i didnt hear any nasty clipping at loud volumes.


I got myself a 30-watt amp module from eBay that isn't much bigger than a quarter for about $6 several years ago. The funny thing is that the old laptop charger that is used as its power supply costs more than the amp module to replace. The module I got has no provisions for volume or tone and is literally just an amplifier. My intention was to employ a Mooer preamp pedal and see where I could go with it, but I got tied up in other projects and work and still haven't dropped the hammer on that project yet. What I can say is that the little 30-watt module gets plenty loud when you plug a guitar straight into it and plug it into a 16ohm 4x12 which should only have that module pushing about 7 watts.
 
I got myself a 30-watt amp module from eBay that isn't much bigger than a quarter for about $6 several years ago. The funny thing is that the old laptop charger that is used as its power supply costs more than the amp module to replace. The module I got has no provisions for volume or tone and is literally just an amplifier. My intention was to employ a Mooer preamp pedal and see where I could go with it, but I got tied up in other projects and work and still haven't dropped the hammer on that project yet. What I can say is that the little 30-watt module gets plenty loud when you plug a guitar straight into it and plug it into a 16ohm 4x12 which should only have that module pushing about 7 watts.
I raised the value of the filter caps on the module from 360uF to 1kuF, along with a zobel network I think, those two mods helped the mid range e top end to sound better but the bass got a little murkier at full power supply rating. Having no eq controls is actually a good thing on this one at the moment.

I had a laptop psu spare in the house that I did try with the tiny module of mine but surprisingly it sounded nicer through a 412 with a step up converter boosting the 12v supply to 20v@2a.

I wouldn't gig with these modules though, the boards are cheap & I doubt the smd components or the board traces will survive 5A going through these things for too long. It's ok as a hobby project to test with speakers that can be used as sacrificial subjects lol

The Duncan power stage is the one to get for safety concerns for both the speakers & the gig if something small is required with a lot of power output.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if there are some crazy high wattage in a small footprint. My car has a 500w amp that's 2"× 4" × 8" and its the same technology.
 
I have to say...this thread is turning out to be very surprising and informative.

I expected a nod to the Powerblock, the obligatory Duncan pimping, and a few obscure little pedals like the EHX.

But this thread delivers, both content and power!
 
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