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Phantasmagoria said:
Hey maybe I'm a bit jaded 'cause of all the shit I used to catch around here just for refusing to come around to the general concensuss that I should accept that I needed theory from books in my life so I could improve. 😀
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No one is saying you need theory. What people are saying is that your assertion that theory will somehow make someone less of a guitar player is ridiculous. You do you.
 
Phantasmagoria said:
Hey maybe I'm a bit jaded 'cause of all the shit I used to catch around here just for refusing to come around to the general concensuss that I should accept that I needed theory from books in my life so I could improve. 😀
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Theory is one way to improve. As I've said a couple of times already, there are a few ways up the mountain. Choose the one which works for you. Some ways involve both learning the theory and techniques of music, some ways involve closing your eyes and going for it. Some ways involve practicing in the cold light of your bedroom, and then cutting throats on the stage.

I've never felt that learning theory has held me back. I've never felt that closing my eyes and cutting loose has held me back. I've always felt that harmonizing the two approaches allows me to be musically coherent and emotive at the same time.
 
Securb said:
No one is saying you need theory. What people are saying is that your assertion that theory will somehow make someone less of a guitar player is ridiculous. You do you.
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Sorry. I never said that. Ever. I said it was'nt for me and I found it detrimental to my own playing. That's 100% different from saying it makes 'someone else' less of a player and you could go back and find all my posts saying the same thing if those threads were'nt being taken down/deleted all day long.

People were trying t shove that crap down my throat & then losing their cool when I said "No thanks, I'm good".

That's how it went and you know it (y)
 
Securb said:
No man you were wrong there as well. There is a lot of improv with classical guitar and many books about it. I have seen some amazing varriations on themes and classical trios tear it up going off the beaten path.

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Your average Symphony Orchestra is what? 120 people. None of them do anything but stick to sight reading w/o the slightest hint of improvisation (for obvious reason's). And then on occasion you have 1 soloist who can improvise. I mean ...that's not very indicative of how well versed your average classical musician is at improvisation imo...
 
Thumpalumpacus said:
Theory is one way to improve. As I've said a couple of times already, there are a few ways up the mountain. Choose the one which works for you. Some ways involve both learning the theory and techniques of music, some ways involve closing your eyes and going for it. Some ways involve practicing in the cold light of your bedroom, and then cutting throats on the stage.

I've never felt that learning theory has held me back. I've never felt that closing my eyes and cutting loose has held me back. I've always felt that harmonizing the two approaches allows me to be musically coherent and emotive at the same time.
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See, there's the thing. I totally accept that ^^ that's what work's for you and it's what you'd like to go with. No skin off my nose. Your thing, does it for you, more power to you, etc..etc...

Now do me the same courtesy.
I think I've made it amply clear that I play fine...(actually great) the way I do without the need to study music theory. Period.
 
Also. I would'nt say that classical guitar performance is solely indicative of Western Classical music since it obviously has a lot of Spanish (Moorish to be precise) influence and that means Eastern classical influence which is a completely different discipline & approach that is ALL about improvisation and is the polar opposite of classical Western Musical tradition. That probably where a lot of the improvisation w/ classical guitar comes from.
 
Phantasmagoria said:
See, there's the thing. I totally accept that ^^ that's what work's for you and it's what you'd like to go with. No skin off my nose. Your thing, does it for you, more power to you, etc..etc...

Now do me the same courtesy.
I think I've made it amply clear that I play fine...(actually great) the way I do without the need to study music theory. Period.
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I haven't said one bad word about your playing at all, nor have I suggested that how I use theory should be the way you should approach anything. I just don't agree that learning theory makes someone less able to play with feeling, or slows you down, or otherwise impairs how others sound.

Again -- many ways up the mountain. Quit trippin'.
 
Phantasmagoria said:
Your average Symphony Orchestra is what? 120 people. None of them do anything but stick to sight reading w/o the slightest hint of improvisation (for obvious reason's). And then on occasion you have 1 soloist who can improvise. I mean ...that's not very indicative of how well versed your average classical musician is at improvisation imo...
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My buddy and his wife both play in orchestras. Marc also plays on Broadway and did his 5th gig with The Who at Madison Square Garden a few years back. The guy can improv on any woodwind instrument you put in his hands and piano. If a gig calls for sight reading and you want the money that is what you do. Don't assume those people don't break loose on their own time. I have seen classically trained violinists kill at Jazz jams.
 
I'm going by the dorky classical guys who sometimes post on YT and say they "never improvise" like it's bad thing Though obviously to be fair within the framework of an Orchestra I'm sure it is....otherwise imagine the chaos 😀
 
Meh, worrying about what others think ... especially guitar snobs? How many guitarists does it take to change a lightbulb, again?

If the lightbulb is glowing, you're doing your job. Play it like you stole it and however you get there make it your own. Crimeny.
 
Well, honestly, when many guitarists say they improvise, they tend to just stitch together previously practiced licks and runs, just moving them to the right place on the fretboard to be in the right key.
 
Bro Phantazmo you're still battling people about theory?!

People can do what they want but the vast majority of great musicians don't use all inspiration and zero theory. They either use inspiration plus their working model of theory, or they know all their theory. Plus they work really hard and are organized af.

The idea that you'll play better if you don't know what you're doing is incoherent and false.
 
Clint 55 said:
Bro Phantazmo you're still battling people about theory?!

People can do what they want but the vast majority of great musicians don't use all inspiration and zero theory. They either use inspiration plus their working model of theory, or they know all their theory. Plus they work really hard and are organized af.

The idea that you'll play better if you don't know what you're doing is incoherent and false.
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Welcome back! How's the moob man doing?

You're late to the party. I'm signing out having said all that needed to be said from my side (yet again :p) .

Back to your old tricks. Trying to get me to post more vids for you to get off on. But these will have to suffice....

Feel free to enjoy the many, many beauts I posted in here.. 😀

Cuz you know you want to analyse those suckerz (y)
 
GuitarStv said:
With respect, you clearly don't know what you're talking about here. No salve of herbs will have any impact on cauliflower ear. There is nothing to dry up with a salve.
Caulflowering is caused by crushing or damaging the ear over time. (Mine is from a combination of boxing, judo, and jiu-jitsu over many years.) Fluid swells up between the two layers of skin that make up the ear when it becomes damaged. If you cut it open and drain the fluid, then staple or stitch the skin in the ear back together then the ear will typically return to normal. The fluid cannot be drained by applying a topical salve. If you fail to cut open and drain the ear, if you fail to fully drain the ear, or if when you stitch the ear back together the skin doesn't meet fully, then the skin in the ear calcifies and is slightly deformed permanently - causing permenant cauliflowering.
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Oh man Stv comes with the truth about cauliflower ear! 😄
 
Phantasmagoria said:
Welcome back! You're late to the party.
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Thx. I guess I've been busy adulting for once.
Phantasmagoria said:
How's the moob man doing?
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Unfortunately Pebbz is no longer with us.

Phantasmagoria said:
Back to your old tricks. Trying to get me to post more vids for you to get off on. But these will have to suffice....Feel free to enjoy the many, many beauts I posted in here.. 😀 Cuz you know you want to analyse those suckerz (y)
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I am up to no such tricks. I tell it like it is. I will definitely analyze your tunes and compare them to my books while I study up!
 
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