What makes you sound unique?

[Mincer]

Eh, don't say that about Yngwie!

..& that's what makes me unique. I don't care about stuff like right keys

Most 80s style shredders are guilty of this. It doesn't mean they couldn't improvise, but if you listen, you hear a lot of the same very fast stuff show up in a lot of 'improvised' solos.

 

[Clint 55]

Preparation is a prerequisite for competent improv. But it's not implied that solos are improvised on studio record.. Those would be composed note for note.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Preparation is a prerequisite for competent improv. But it's not implied that solos are improvised on studio record.. Those would be composed note for note.

They could be composed, or they could be improvised. I think Slash said something about the outro to SCoM was mostly improv?

 

[ehdwuld]

There are some players who cant play the same lick twice

Or get bored playing the album version for the 500th time

I watched a video on some famous singer who hated playing with his famous guitar player because he wount play the song the same way twice

 

[Mincer]

I can appreciate people who don't do the same thing twice more than someone who can execute the exact duplicate of what they played before. I think both skills are important, but I find myself listening to players who don't do the exact same thing every time more than the 'exactly like the record' types.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

I can appreciate people who don't do the same thing twice more than someone who can execute the exact duplicate of what they played before. I think both skills are important, but I find myself listening to players who don't do the exact same thing every time more than the 'exactly like the record' types.

As a listener, I generally prefer being surprised with fresh licks, but you're right in that much improv is more rehearsed licks strung together into different sequences.

 

[Clint 55]

They could be composed, or they could be improvised. I think Slash said something about the outro to SCoM was mostly improv?

Correct. There's gonna be improv in studio solos at times but the default is gonna be either fully composed or at least outlined. So I misspoke.

 

[weepingminotaur]

I love listening to someone who changes things up at runtime, but I also love seeing someone turn in a killer "recital" type performance. This is why I like both jazz and metal.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

I love listening to someone who changes things up at runtime, but I also love seeing someone turn in a killer "recital" type performance. This is why I like both jazz and metal.

The live take of "Mediterranean Sundance" with Paco, John, and Al D is simply mesmerizing. That is recital at its finest.

 

[Cynical]

I'm a casual listener when it comes to classical music. I know they have small set-up's etc...but prsonally, if I do listen to it all, I like the whole big Symphony Orchestra's rather than the chamber music quartet/dude in the corner playing a harp by himself kinda stuff...

That's like saying "if I listen to metal at all, I like the impossibly self-indulgent euro power concept double-album with 20 synthesizer players and five female vocalists rather than the early '80s Angel Witch live tape".

 

[Mincer]

The live take of "Mediterranean Sundance" with Paco, John, and Al D is simply mesmerizing. That is recital at its finest.

I think every show they did was different. Fantastic stuff.

 

[Chistopher]

I generally think

That's like saying "if I listen to metal at all, I like the impossibly self-indulgent euro power concept double-album with 20 synthesizer players and five female vocalists rather than the early '80s Angel Witch live tape".

I mean that's a valid opinion

 

[Phantasmagoria]

That's like saying "if I listen to metal at all, I like the impossibly self-indulgent euro power concept double-album with 20 synthesizer players and five female vocalists rather than the early '80s Angel Witch live tape".

Well I'm sure there are plenty of fans out there that feel that way...or the other way around. I like both personally (OK the female Symphonic metal thing is'nt all that much for me), but good old ultra-cheesy/overblown/epic Euro/flower-power from the 90's ...sure. I could listen to that all day long. In fact that's probably where my interest in the little classical music I listen to occasionally comes from ( and from Yngwie of course)

Similarly, I love a whole bunch of super-stripped down 'True" underground 80's metal bands a s well. But that's because I just love metal in all (well.. most of all) it's forms & glory. With classical, like I said, I'm a casual listener & I'm a hell of a lot more picky. Don't see why that should be weird or a problem?

 

[Phantasmagoria]

Preparation is a prerequisite for competent improv.

This is true, I generally down a few beers first

 

[Clint 55]

I wouldn't expect anything less.

 

[Phantasmagoria]

Most 80s style shredders are guilty of this. It doesn't mean they couldn't improvise, but if you listen, you hear a lot of the same very fast stuff show up in a lot of 'improvised' solos.

I don't know about the Shrapnel style shredders. I actually hardly listened to any of that stuff back in the day. But a lot of the guitar guys in regular bands used a bunch of the same licks and they all got them from the "Metal Method" video's. At least that's what it sounded like to me.

 

[Phantasmagoria]

I wouldn't expect anything less.

I was just watching a Stanley Jordan interview with Rick Beato and the dude was all about "relaxation" coming first. He did'nt mention booze lol but I would'nt be surprised if he employed other (greener) methods of relaxation. Now that's a guy I've always followed (Mclaughlin too) even though it's not really my sort of music just because I like his/their insane chops & hippie 'Zen' attitude..

 

[Clint 55]

Yeah you gotta get in the zone. One time I was in mid zone while recording. I heard this dull bumping with my headphones on. I pull them off and the thumping gets loud. It's my fucker upstairs neighbor stomping on the floor when it's 7:45. I was so raged. I was like it's not even night time f you!!! My zone was all ruined after that.

 

[Phantasmagoria]

But it's not implied that solos are improvised on studio record.. Those would be composed note for note.

Pretty sure plenty of players improvise solo's in the studio. It does'nt mean you can't recreate them (or something along those lines) live.

I do it all the time.

This is from a studio recording of my band's (demo version)

& then live I jammed this (@3:30 which is half as long & just loosely based on the studio version)

 

[weepingminotaur]

They could be composed, or they could be improvised. I think Slash said something about the outro to SCoM was mostly improv?

It's so dependent on the band, the player, the studio, the producer, the song. Also, artists are not always reliable sources of information about their own creative process (i.e. when two band members have different accounts of how a song was created).