what pedal for Pantera sound?

[B2D]

Re: what pedal for Pantera sound?

I just started playing a few months ago and i'm not familiar with too many pedals yet, from the pedals i have tried at GC (very limited time on them) i couldn't find one that gets me that powerful metal sound of Pantera especially off of their Far Beyond Driven album (love that album btw :bowdown: ) Any ideas? I was thinking of just getting another vox but the ad50vt this time. I tried the Spider
III flextone plus......yuck!!! WTF is up with this amp? It looks nice, seems like it has tons of options but even to a newbie like me it sounds bad. Peavy valvestate or whatever ones (above the bandits) sounded "okay" kinda cheapie sounding. Roland 60 is a VERY powerful sounding amp, and such beautiful tone with the Ibanez SZ720fm i was using in samash!

Oh i sold the Vox i'm buying an amp at the same time and probably getting a roland cube 60 to use for its great clean tone and just run external processing to get the sounds i want in the preamp stage. ONly problem is i don't think it has an fx loop So i'm not sure. Any ideas for under $400? I play 80's metal, hard rock, some light rock, and heavy heavy metal, not much industrial type stuff which seems marshall amps are only good for at least on the OD channels.

The vox metal (nu metal one etc.) models were horrible IMO so i couldn't get any such sounds with it. I mainly got rid of it for a more powerful amp though. Otherwise incredible tone.

Maybe this is just me being a bit of a snob but I think you should spend the first year or so of your guitar playing learning how to actually PLAY the instrument and not getting wrapped up in tone toys. Learn to play first, then get the toys.

 

[Metalman_666]

Re: what pedal for Pantera sound?

Maybe this is just me being a bit of a snob but I think you should spend the first year or so of your guitar playing learning how to actually PLAY the instrument and not getting wrapped up in tone toys. Learn to play first, then get the toys.

I agree with you B2D, definitely not a snobbish comment. It's much more important to play well than to have great tone, especially since playing well can lead to great tone!

 

[B2D]

Re: what pedal for Pantera sound?

I agree with you B2D, definitely not a snobbish comment. It's much more important to play well than to have great tone, especially since playing well can lead to great tone!

Thanks... and I'm REALLY not trying to look like I'm being a tool in that comment.

Thing is... technology has changed a LOT in the 8 years I've been playing (not a long time in itself) and even that recently there weren't a lot of very affordable, good sounding, modeling technology things to play with (and the ones that were there were out of my price range or I had no clue what they were), so all my attention was focused on learning to play the guitar and learning how to control my amp as well. I only really started getting into gear around the three year mark and at that point this was my rig:

- Fender MIM strat with locking tuners and a Hot Rails pickup (both mods were made about 2 years into the game and at my teacher's suggestions as solutions to certain issues I was having with the strat)
- A Marshall VS265R combo. (also bought about 2 years into the game so i could play with a band... all i had for the first 2 years was a Crate GX15)
- a Delay pedal... got that about 6 months after joining the church band cuz I LOVE delay.

Anyways my point is that if I'd had access to all this gear info so early in my formative playing years I probably would've gotten wrapped up in the toys instead of playing the guitar. And I see too many kids now who have TONS of gizmos and fx-loaded amps and hot-rodded guitars who could write a master's thesis on their gear but they play very weakly. And I've also seen tons of young players who are paralyzed when they plug a plain guitar into a plain tube combo because they THINK they're crippled without their noisemakers and gain boxes.

All I'm saying is if you're going to start really getting into gear a few MONTHS after picking up the instrument, don't turn into one of those guys who's to wrapped up in toys and can barely play. Exercise restraint and caution at this stage.

What do you need more... a new pedal or a new amp or chops?

 

[taphappy]

Re: what pedal for Pantera sound?

Wow such words of wisdom. I had a friend who started playing a gained out channel on an RP50 since the day he started playing. He thinks he can shred and doesnt realize how that thick, compressed distortion is masking his playing.

 

[Mephis]

Re: what pedal for Pantera sound?

You'll end up like me, you'll go through a metal phase, rock phase, blues phase.... and so on and eventually you'll get squarely placed into what you like to play most after a couple years.


For now, don't waste money changing amps/efx.... I musta wasted well over $1000 on junk before I finaly got a descent amp. Also took me a long time to find a guitar to suit my style. (Get a vox ad15vt or something for now if you HAVE to have a different amp, you couldn't use 50watts yet.)

And if you can't get a good metal tone out of the vox, turn down the gain to about 1/4 or half and turn the volume up. Try some metallica riffs, if it doesn't sound metaly, you're doing something wrong.


My best advice is, take some lessons from a teacher who can teach you everything, not just metal. Improving your playing will make your gear sound much better.



My grandpa is the typical gear shocked person... Hes NEVER picked up a guitar but hes spent $1000 on gear in the past 2 years.

 

[B2D]

Re: what pedal for Pantera sound?

I just started playing a few months ago and i'm not familiar with too many pedals yet, from the pedals i have tried at GC (very limited time on them) i couldn't find one that gets me that powerful metal sound of Pantera especially off of their Far Beyond Driven album (love that album btw :bowdown: ) Any ideas? I was thinking of just getting another vox but the ad50vt this time. I tried the Spider
III flextone plus......yuck!!! WTF is up with this amp? It looks nice, seems like it has tons of options but even to a newbie like me it sounds bad. Peavy valvestate or whatever ones (above the bandits) sounded "okay" kinda cheapie sounding. Roland 60 is a VERY powerful sounding amp, and such beautiful tone with the Ibanez SZ720fm i was using in samash!

Oh i sold the Vox i'm buying an amp at the same time and probably getting a roland cube 60 to use for its great clean tone and just run external processing to get the sounds i want in the preamp stage. ONly problem is i don't think it has an fx loop So i'm not sure. Any ideas for under $400? I play 80's metal, hard rock, some light rock, and heavy heavy metal, not much industrial type stuff which seems marshall amps are only good for at least on the OD channels.

A few other points...

~Dimebag gets his sound via specific guitars, specific pickups, hi-gain solid-state amps with additional Gain and EQ stages, and sheer volume. You cannot duplicate that sound with JUST a pedal.

~ There is no such amp as a "peavey Valvestate." Marshall is the only company that makes Valvestate amps. Peavey makes Transtube amps which are similar in design, but they are not valvestates. "spider III Flextone plus." Line 6 offers Spider II's and Flextone III's, which were meant to replace the Spider I's and Flextone II+ models. The Spiders are OK for practice amps and the Flextone III's sound pretty damn good when dialed in right. You have to spend a few hours with one to really get into the subselections and dial it in properly. hey are not what you would call "plug and play" amps. In short, mind your p's and q's and dont get stuff confused with each other

I'm not going to even get into how pointless and redundant it is to start running multiple external effects with digital modeling amps.

From the looks of things you're already getting too wrapped up in gear at too early a stage. And it also looks like you're getting confused. I know this may not be what you want to hear but look at it this way... if you really want to gain a thourough command over the instrument, you need to focus on practicing physicial technique as well as getting a good grounding in theory and studying the LICKS of your heroes, not their gear.