What Pickup Combination for Traditional (British) Heavy Metal ?

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As others have said, Maiden and Priest rocked the Super Distortions. I'd start there.
 
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If I were you I would start with a superdistortion and a DMZ paf (the real, old DP103, not the latest issue). Otherwise a duncan custom and a 59.
 
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Glenn Tipton didn't play a Strat with aftermarket humbuckers?

Strats were available with humbuckers in the early 80s, possibly even the 70s (about the time the '72 Tele Deluxe? Maybe even earlier). While it does appear the Strat Tipton is using in You've Got Another Thing Coming has EMGs, it's also possible he received it that way. I do know his custom/sig model Hamer Phantom GT and the pointy Star thingy he designed had EMGs, but again, if we're talking about a guitarist sitting down with a box of pickups and a soldering gun, I doubt Glenn and KK were those guys. EVH was, for sure, but given the variety of pickups Downing and Tipton have been photographed using live, I'm certain they're what came in the guitar. As to how they may have gotten turned onto a given pickup, it was most likely already in the guitar, they played it, liked it, and wanted one just like it. I'm sure their techs had a list of amp settings for each guitar, of not separate heads and a Bradshaw rig, because of the tonal differences between all the different guitars and pickups they would use in one show.

I disagree with DrNewcenstein on needing Gibson pickups, a lot of Les Paul and SG players prefer Seymour Duncans to modern Gibson pickups for replicating classic Les Paul tones, so I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Seymour Duncan.

Depends on what you're shooting for. Obviously an original Gibson PAF is too expensive to even consider seriously, and the 59 is a solid attempt at recreating that tone, at least according to SD's vision and experience with one, but it's my understanding there were several different types of PAF, with varied DC readings and tonal curves (which is obvious since they merely put 'Patent Applied For" on everything that was awaiting a patent designation, and hardly ever marked anything with a model number).

But if something was known to be recorded with a Dirty Fingers, you want a Dirty Fingers. (and yeah I did compare an original 80s DF to the modern reissue - the 500T is closer to the original DF than the reissue DF is).

Judas Priest's guitarists used stock guitars some, but IIRC also DiMarzio Super Distortion, and Seymour Duncan JBs and Distortions at various times, and I think even Gibson Dirty Fingers.
The DF was stock in several models in the late 70s and early 80s, particularly the V and Explorer, however, AFAIK KK's Gibson V is an original 60s, and don't recall either of them using a 70s/80s Gibson Explorer. Since the OP specifically limited the range to "late 70s/early 80s", and those date ranges are very specific in terms of the bands mentioned, it's doubtful Tipton and Downing were using SD pickups regularly. For the Screaming for Vengeance tour, they were both still using their Strats, the SG, and the V. KK's original Hamer V from Point of Entry gave way to his red/white Gibson more often than not, because it worked better for the entire set. Only when it started getting very worn did he use his 2nd Hamer V (the smaller red one with the studs down the bevels) and Glenn started using his smallish Explorer, but those were more prominent on the Defenders and Turbo tours.

Phil Campbell of Motörhead used a Seymour Duncan Full Shred for a long time, actually.

Interesting. Do you know when that started? Given the drastically different tone on Killed By Death, I'm guessing he switched after Ace of Spades, Jailbait, and Iron Fist were recorded.

Iron Maiden, Super Distortion or JB, depending on era. Though much of their tone is more in the boost and amp, than the pickup.

Super Ds and stock Gibsons up through Piece of Mind for sure, and quite possibly for the recording of Powerslave in '84. I don't know what their Lados had in them, or how frequently they were used on tour.
The JB came about later, on Somewhere in Time when they were first using Jackson-made Strats, since that was the default bridge pickup of Jackson USA at the time.
 
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I'll take Tipton at his word that his CBS Strat had a Super-D.
http://www.glenntipton.co.uk/guitar-collection.asp


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Revisiting (original) Custom recommendations:

I'm not saying you can't do NWOBHM with an SH-5, but I'd sure like to see a list of players that actually did! ;)

I need a pickup combination that's really fat and thick sounding, But doesn't have too much output.
In the bridge position, i need a pickup that's powerful, has a decent attack on the low end, smooth mids, and not too much treble.
The SH-5 does have a fair bit of treble due to the ceramic magnet which I don't find to be particularly pleasant.

YMMV!
 
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Interesting. Do you know when that started? Given the drastically different tone on Killed By Death, I'm guessing he switched after Ace of Spades, Jailbait, and Iron Fist were recorded.
Very likely after the early 80s date range mentioned. Apparently he also used JB/'59 in some guitars, and Live Wires in others.

Back that far... well, Hurricane Sandy wrecked my old guitar magazine collection, among many other losses. Google is not coughing up useful gear breakdowns for that long ago. It's frustrating what is and isn't readily accessible online...
 
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My suggestions for bridge: Gibson 498t, dimarzio crunchlab, or gibson 500t (although this isnt a pickup I swear by, i am simply using it in my gigging guitar (2016 les paul faded t) because it was laying around in my house and I didnt want to fork out the dough for another dimarzio.

My suggestions for neck: Gibson Burstbucker. Its all I have ever played consistently in a Gibson.

I have a 2017 gibson les paul classic thats been on layaway at guitar center for 2 months (which is an insanely long time for an impulse guitar buyer like myself). Its sporting 2 gibson 57 classics. Cant stand the sound of the bridge pickup through a peavey 6505+ (a Metal amp). That whole premise that "it doesnt matter what pickup you have in your guitar because the tube amps of today have so much gain that it wouldnt make a difference how hot the pickup is or not" is crap. Even the 6505+ needs a good alnico 5 (or higher) or a ceramic pole piece pickup to go into metal territory.

Play your gear at high volume. Its the only way you will hear all definitions of the notes or frequencies or whatever.
 
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You want a Super Distortion plus PAF (either 36th or Air Classic will work well - in fact the DP190 is a little closer to the old DP103 PAF those guys used back then) - for DiMarzios.

Don't go SH-5 Custom - it's too harsh on the high end.
If you want to go Duncan's, I'd get a 59/Custom Hybrid plus 59 neck.

If you want to go the boutique route (stay away from BareKnuckles) - go with Manlius Pickups.
Choose his Vintage SuperD plus anyone of his overwound PAF versions.
 
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His old Red Gibson V was a '74 Medallion V. I think he got his Hamer Mini V in '86 and used it on the Fuel for Life tour promoting the Turbo album. It features an EMG-81 bridge and a Shadow EQ-5 neck pickup.

It has been said that KK used an EMG-58 (which came out in '74), and then used the '81. Of course we dont know when he used those and its hard to say.

But anyways, yea to try and nail the majority of those tones, youll need a Flying V, leather pants, a Super Distortion, and a Marshall.
 
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I have a Super Distortion (br) and Pearly gates (n) ready to go into my next Les Paul. Both will remain uncovered. Unfortunately, the Super Dist is cream, and the PG is black. Oh well.
 
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I disagree with DrNewcenstein on needing Gibson pickups, a lot of Les Paul and SG players prefer Seymour Duncans to modern Gibson pickups for replicating classic Les Paul tones, so I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Seymour Duncan.


+1. Gibson is a guitar company that makes PU's so that they don't have to pay someone else for them. It's not a passion, it's an economic decision. Duncan, DiMarzio, and other similar companies that specialize in making PU's have a passion. If they can't improve on stock PU's that come in guitars, they can't stay in business.

Gibson keeps changing the specs on their PU's (for cost savings) and always seems to be changing which PU's go in which guitars. Not like having a consistent sound is a real precise thing with them.
 
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Well, when we are talking about such a wide range of tones - there is no right answer. The further into the 70's you go though, as DrN mentioned, more and more stock Gibsons (T-Tops) and more SuperDistortions. So there is no correct answer...but a lot of options. I missed your amp - but lets just assume it either a) has way more than enough gain, or b) Can be turned down. (You guys know, you CAN do that!!!!).

I have played all of that with a Les Paul loaded with a T-Top neck, and a Distortion Bridge. Perfect combo? No...but all in all it worked pretty well for lots of that music.

My next selection, and likely your best choice is a PAF neck and a SuperDistortion Bridge.

From Duncan...I like the PG neck and a 59/Custom. Kinda like a PAF/SuperD...but a little more in the neck, and a little less in the bridge.

As for Gibson - today they just don't make those pickups if you go that route - and I wouldn't bother hunting T-Tops. Maybe a BB2 or a BB Pro neck and a 500t bridge. Might as well get a PG and a Distortion in that case!

If you wanted to go for an all around general sound, similar to but definitely NOT Gibson - a Pair of Duncan 59's might work for you. NEVER a bad choice, but maybe not the best.
 
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I have mag swapped 59/JB combo A4 and RCUOA5 respectively, that through the right amp, work very well. Depending on how it's set, I can get Motorhead, Priest, Deep Purple, uh someone name some others...

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59 JB not a bad option...
 
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Lot's of good info in here already, and some misinformation on what was used by some players as well.

Lots of stock pickups and Super distortions for sure. Also lots of variance, not only between these bands, but era's as well. Not to mention what AMP are you going to be running through? That's certainly more important. Also, I recommend going a little hotter than you think you would. Why? because we all love the sound of those old albums, but in reality we want something a little hotter to achieve it without having a JMP on 10.

Ok back to the pickups:

Priest: (Glenn Early Strat) Super Distortions, (Glenn SFV SG) Stock PAF's, EMG's later on - present. (KK) Mainly Stock pickups, later EMG
Maiden: Super Distortions for Dave early, hot rails current. Adrian smith les paul has a super distortion in it, current strat - super distortions,
Motörhead - Fast Eddie was Dimarzio X2N in his strat. Phil has had various over the years. JB's, Full Shred, pretty sure bare knuckles at one point

Can't speak too much on the others. I looked into Thin Lizzy quite a bit awhile ago but so many variances there.

With that said...I'd probably start with a Super distortion, but can't go wrong with a Custom either.
 
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My vote is stil Dimarzio super distortion. Not only because a lot of those guys actually did use it, but also because it's definitely a pickup I feel everybody has to try at least once, and it may actually surprise you.

I was scared off from trying it for the longest time because I was under the impression for some dumb reason that it would automatically make everything sound like Tom Scholz. Once I actually did get over my fear I was pleasantly surprised how versatile it could be, and how clear and mean it was, but not harsh.
 
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How would the Super Distortion bridge / PG neck work together?
 
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Sabbath used a different formula, with very high output mini hums in his JayDee guitars. Mushy and doomy, but that was the sound of British Heavy Metal, too.
 
Re: What Pickup Combination for Traditional (British) Heavy Metal ?

Sabbath used a different formula, with very high output mini hums in his JayDee guitars. Mushy and doomy, but that was the sound of British Heavy Metal, too.

That, and a treble booster....
 
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