What pickups for Zeppelin's: SINCE I HAVE BEEN LOVING YOU & TEA FOR ONE?
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Funkfingers
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"Since..." would have been Page's number one Gibson Les Paul. So, old PAFs. Can't remember which guitar is on "Tea.." but it sounds like a Les Paul again.
"Since..." would have been Page's number one Gibson Les Paul. So, old PAFs. Can't remember which guitar is on "Tea.." but it sounds like a Les Paul again.
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
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A good set of alnico IV or alnico V PAF copies will get you there...
A good set of alnico IV or alnico V PAF copies will get you there...
blueman335
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What a couple of great songs. Jimmy's magic.
What a couple of great songs. Jimmy's magic.
jmh151
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Actually (maybe others can chime in), for Since I've been loving you (the intro), years ago I coil tapped the Gibson '57 PAF in my Les Paul Custom and nailed that tone. A PAF alone isn't good enough, it has to be the neck PAF coil tapped.
Actually (maybe others can chime in), for Since I've been loving you (the intro), years ago I coil tapped the Gibson '57 PAF in my Les Paul Custom and nailed that tone. A PAF alone isn't good enough, it has to be the neck PAF coil tapped.
Chickenwings
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an invader in a basswood body. Floyd rose trem and a triple rectifier.
I think....could be wrong tho....
an invader in a basswood body. Floyd rose trem and a triple rectifier.
I think....could be wrong tho....
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Actually,it does NOT have to be coil tapped neck PAF. BTW JPP #1 never had coil cut on its neck PAF.
Just watch 3 way toggle's positions all the way through this one as this is the same player, the same guitar and the same neck pickup as on the original studio recording.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMbxbT1WA3Y.
PAF neck in a LP : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yer-XGyZoYk at ~ 1:00-1:30 cleaner tone - varying tone by just varying pick attack
some more PAF neck HB, non-tapped
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7La7Cfrc-98
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV_yJ2htyO0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Ujm4HEXGc
My point is - only if your neck HB is too hot, coil tapped will be relatively closer to PAF than the same PU full humbucking in series, but it will be too thin. Classic 57 at ~ 8.0k is not really hot, but your LPC might be a dark one, or old/dead strings, or dark amp/speaker, or cheap guitar cable ... or any combination of these.
Actually,it does NOT have to be coil tapped neck PAF. BTW JPP #1 never had coil cut on its neck PAF.
Just watch 3 way toggle's positions all the way through this one as this is the same player, the same guitar and the same neck pickup as on the original studio recording.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMbxbT1WA3Y.
PAF neck in a LP : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yer-XGyZoYk at ~ 1:00-1:30 cleaner tone - varying tone by just varying pick attack
some more PAF neck HB, non-tapped
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7La7Cfrc-98
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV_yJ2htyO0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Ujm4HEXGc
My point is - only if your neck HB is too hot, coil tapped will be relatively closer to PAF than the same PU full humbucking in series, but it will be too thin. Classic 57 at ~ 8.0k is not really hot, but your LPC might be a dark one, or old/dead strings, or dark amp/speaker, or cheap guitar cable ... or any combination of these.
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IMO, you have not allowed for the pedal(s) Page had between guitar and amp. Add Germanium distortion, roll back the guitar volume and what do you get?
Another thought. Another way to get that strangely thin tone out of a Gibson Les Paul is to play a three pickup Custom. (I cannot remember the dates of Page's 3PU Black Beauty being stolen and SIBLY being recorded.)
Somewhere out there in Interwebland, there is a website that lists all of Page's guitars and the songs on which they are supposed to have appeared. It might even enlighten us about when Page had the legendary PU rewiring carried out?
IMO, you have not allowed for the pedal(s) Page had between guitar and amp. Add Germanium distortion, roll back the guitar volume and what do you get?
Another thought. Another way to get that strangely thin tone out of a Gibson Les Paul is to play a three pickup Custom. (I cannot remember the dates of Page's 3PU Black Beauty being stolen and SIBLY being recorded.)
Somewhere out there in Interwebland, there is a website that lists all of Page's guitars and the songs on which they are supposed to have appeared. It might even enlighten us about when Page had the legendary PU rewiring carried out?
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Maybe the best example of how slow blues is not really slow at all. Don't worry about sounding exactly like Jimmy because only Jimmy plays Jimmy. LP with PAF's or 57's will be close but amp, pedals and technique are also important in emulating JP's tone.
Maybe the best example of how slow blues is not really slow at all. Don't worry about sounding exactly like Jimmy because only Jimmy plays Jimmy. LP with PAF's or 57's will be close but amp, pedals and technique are also important in emulating JP's tone.
Christopher Caruana
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+1 the MOST important factors are:
-A Les Paul with PAF type pickups
-An amp with a vintage type overdrive (marshall plexi or Orange)
........oh ya and dont forget to wear your les paul down to your knees like jimmy did :naughty:
+1 the MOST important factors are:
-A Les Paul with PAF type pickups
-An amp with a vintage type overdrive (marshall plexi or Orange)
........oh ya and dont forget to wear your les paul down to your knees like jimmy did :naughty:
jmh151
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You may have a point there. Years ago when I got that tone My Les Paul Custom was VERY dark with the stock PAF's and pots until I gutted the electronics and used EMG's (and now Blackout/ Livewire 2's). Regularly used old strings too and cheap cables. Not these days.
You may have a point there. Years ago when I got that tone My Les Paul Custom was VERY dark with the stock PAF's and pots until I gutted the electronics and used EMG's (and now Blackout/ Livewire 2's). Regularly used old strings too and cheap cables. Not these days.
ACH91332
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Back then they used to dime everything. Bass mids, treble, and volume. They were just trying to get breakup and to do that you had to push the amp as hard as you could. I doubt Jimmy wase an exception but I don't know it for a fact.
You ABSOLUTELY need a single channel amp with a vintage overdrive. Multi channel amps just dont act the same way at all. Single channel amps are way more dynamic and just have an edge to them where as multi channel amps are more compressed. They use the preamp more than anything where single channel/older amps are about pushing the preamp and poweramp which gives you that really chunky, crunchy, dynamic breakup. Pickups matter but if you get any PAF vibed pickup and an amp with a vintage style breakup you will nail his tone. The amp is the biggest part of the equation though.
Back then they used to dime everything. Bass mids, treble, and volume. They were just trying to get breakup and to do that you had to push the amp as hard as you could. I doubt Jimmy wase an exception but I don't know it for a fact.
You ABSOLUTELY need a single channel amp with a vintage overdrive. Multi channel amps just dont act the same way at all. Single channel amps are way more dynamic and just have an edge to them where as multi channel amps are more compressed. They use the preamp more than anything where single channel/older amps are about pushing the preamp and poweramp which gives you that really chunky, crunchy, dynamic breakup. Pickups matter but if you get any PAF vibed pickup and an amp with a vintage style breakup you will nail his tone. The amp is the biggest part of the equation though.
75lespaul
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Don't forget the wah. I believe he has it half-cocked for a lot of those solos. On TSRTS, it sounds to me like he's rockin' the middle position for lots of that song as well. Obviously, TSRTS is probably a Marshall, but in the studio, who knows what amp Page used. He would try everything until he got the sound he wanted. Black Dog is recorded straight into the board with no amp!
Don't forget the wah. I believe he has it half-cocked for a lot of those solos. On TSRTS, it sounds to me like he's rockin' the middle position for lots of that song as well. Obviously, TSRTS is probably a Marshall, but in the studio, who knows what amp Page used. He would try everything until he got the sound he wanted. Black Dog is recorded straight into the board with no amp!
JohnnyGuitarCA
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2 PAF's on together OUT OF PHASE on SIBLY if I remember correctly. Also, I think Page switched to a T-Top in the bridge after that (in '75 (?) but I'm not positive). As an aside, I've got boots of the Zeppelin reunion show in '07, and Pagey was definitely running his 2 pickups out of phase on the intro to SIBLY.
2 PAF's on together OUT OF PHASE on SIBLY if I remember correctly. Also, I think Page switched to a T-Top in the bridge after that (in '75 (?) but I'm not positive). As an aside, I've got boots of the Zeppelin reunion show in '07, and Pagey was definitely running his 2 pickups out of phase on the intro to SIBLY.
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JohnnyGuitarCA
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You forgot to mention the solid graphite neck with stainless steel banjo frets and blue LED position markers! :cool2:
You forgot to mention the solid graphite neck with stainless steel banjo frets and blue LED position markers! :cool2:
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Re: What pickups for Zeppelin's: SINCE I HAVE BEEN LOVING YOU & TEA FOR ONE?
This is the reason why original LP Standards 58-60 (best of them) are among best guitars ever made.
This video is as close to original as possible - same player same guitar same pickup, only 25 years later
1. NECK pickup, then MIDDLE ( NO BRIDGE on intro )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMbxbT1WA3Y
0:00 - 0:47 neck
at 0:47 right arm moves toward toggle switches to middle for crescendo on chorus (G minor)
2. NO OD PEDAL
no OD pedal and esp no fuzz when engaged in signal chain will allow this dynamics of picking to pass through to speaker, it would be too compressed no matter how low gain/volume are set on the pedal and there would be no treble (eg Gary Moore)
You see, even Joe Bonamassa uses only bridge position on a LP. That is why I insist to show to all interested that there are other options on LP than just bridge, OD cooking and rock it all night - which is what 95% percent of people that ever used a LP are using it for ONLY.
SO, LP at NECK pickup PAF type, NO OD pedal and gentle picking with more treble and middle ( and presence ) on valve single channel amp than usual/ever with volume on amp at ~ max and vol on guitar ~ 2-4 (depends on guitar vol pot's taper). ( string gauge 9s pick 0.75mm very light touch on picking and very light grip on fretting hand )
Seriously, just try it this way ... and come back with impressions ...
This is the reason why original LP Standards 58-60 (best of them) are among best guitars ever made.
This video is as close to original as possible - same player same guitar same pickup, only 25 years later
1. NECK pickup, then MIDDLE ( NO BRIDGE on intro )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMbxbT1WA3Y
0:00 - 0:47 neck
at 0:47 right arm moves toward toggle switches to middle for crescendo on chorus (G minor)
2. NO OD PEDAL
no OD pedal and esp no fuzz when engaged in signal chain will allow this dynamics of picking to pass through to speaker, it would be too compressed no matter how low gain/volume are set on the pedal and there would be no treble (eg Gary Moore)
You see, even Joe Bonamassa uses only bridge position on a LP. That is why I insist to show to all interested that there are other options on LP than just bridge, OD cooking and rock it all night - which is what 95% percent of people that ever used a LP are using it for ONLY.
SO, LP at NECK pickup PAF type, NO OD pedal and gentle picking with more treble and middle ( and presence ) on valve single channel amp than usual/ever with volume on amp at ~ max and vol on guitar ~ 2-4 (depends on guitar vol pot's taper). ( string gauge 9s pick 0.75mm very light touch on picking and very light grip on fretting hand )
Seriously, just try it this way ... and come back with impressions ...
Re: What pickups for Zeppelin's: SINCE I HAVE BEEN LOVING YOU & TEA FOR ONE?
Greg
Since I've Been Loving you. That would be the song that I would place as my second favorite behind Stairway To Heaven. It really has been a favorite of mine. What pickups and guitars to get that tone? Page used such a wide variety. I've read he use a certain model of amp on Since I've been Loving You, but who really knows, but Jimmy Page. Jimmy Page could do incredible things with any gear.
Your best bet is a Marshall style amp with a Les Paul and just nail the song down. I think most players sound best through Marshalls anyway. Eric Johnson sounded better through a Marshall than any other amp he ever played through.
I just watched 'It might get loud' on Comcast with Jimmy Page, Jack white and the Edge. That is a good movie...
Greg
Since I've Been Loving you. That would be the song that I would place as my second favorite behind Stairway To Heaven. It really has been a favorite of mine. What pickups and guitars to get that tone? Page used such a wide variety. I've read he use a certain model of amp on Since I've been Loving You, but who really knows, but Jimmy Page. Jimmy Page could do incredible things with any gear.
Your best bet is a Marshall style amp with a Les Paul and just nail the song down. I think most players sound best through Marshalls anyway. Eric Johnson sounded better through a Marshall than any other amp he ever played through.
I just watched 'It might get loud' on Comcast with Jimmy Page, Jack white and the Edge. That is a good movie...