what sounds good in all-maple axes?

Re: what sounds good in all-maple axes?

TR, since you use a Twin Reverb, I'm willing to bet that is where you're getting a majority of your brightness from regardless of what you think. Those amps have more highs to them than anything else I've ever played through. Setting them to the recommended sweet spots (666 across the EQ knobs) is still pretty bright. The highs usually need to be dialed back to about 4 before they smooth over. Then there's the speakers to take in to account.

Alnico II pickups, as great as they are, I don't find to be the best fit for maple body guitars. I've had a Custom Custom in my Kramer as well and the lack of lows in the CC really pushed those mids out front, moreso than in my alder body Strats. Alnico 5 and Ceramic pickups seem to work best with maple bodies IME.
 
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......Ceramic pickups seem to work best with maple bodies IME.

Hey, that's exactly the words Tim told me! I have no reason to disagree about the A5 also........

I wouldn't buy an A2 pup anyway because of the lack of metal-like tightness.
 
Re: what sounds good in all-maple axes?

No, its a waste of time to take in account someones advice (I will mention names here, yours) That has had little expereince with Duncans lineup of pickups and also many different woods and first hand knowledge of all of them and how they work together. Of course, this same person (you) is in about every pickup advice thread throwing your opinion out there without a whole lot of first hand knowledge while talking out of your butt. Maybe you will get a "generic" suggestion from the tone wizard at times and post it but, this is of course "generic".

Bottom line, maple is not icepick bright like most of you guys on here think it is though, you guys still spew out this mis-information. Maple is maybe brighter than mahognay but, it aint nearly as bright as you folks seem to think it is. You are getting the word "opinion" mixed up with "mis-information" you have hear someone else say. Try it for yourself and you will see and hear the "facts" not, opinions at that point. Maple really needs to be viewed as what it typically is, "tight, focused, precise, balanced"

In closing, actually try something for yourself and try it throughly before shooting off your "opinions" that are usually false.

BTW TR, I stand firmly behind what I said in my previous thread.

I could care less what one person (you) think, when people I've learned to trust say otherwise. As for soft maple, I've tried it, I've tried it with classic stacks and JB, then with alnico II pro staggereds and a CC. I have first hand experience. Also, I refer to Alex from SD who says the same, whose advice I trusted, and who I proved right. The JB was an ice pick in that guitar. Call it a fluke, sure, but don't call me a liar. It doesn't make you look good.

Opinions are just opinions: you can't prove them right or wrong in an industry that is subjective. If you want to prove yourself tolerant, you could accept that some people in the thread have truly tried the combination. Otherwise, if you're just going to be a jerk, maybe you should have me in your ignore list. It exists because, unfortunately, we can't all be friends.

As for those saying the CC hasn't got tight bass (sorry), I can agree, but realize also that maple doesn't necessarily have tight bass (sorry) either. That combo together could sound like trash, but it depends. Case in point: I hated the JB in my Ibanez (soft maple body), but a friend of mine just dialed the amp treble down to 2 and thought the guitar was usable. Nice, but don't work for me if I change guitars mid-session. To him it sounds ok, to me it sounds like an ice pick. I give it to a different friend after swapping the JB for a CC, and he loves how it sounds, but hates the single coils, versus me and my other friend love the single coils in it.

There's no fact to this thread, only opinions. Everyone's amps, effects, guitars, wood samples, and ears are different.

EDIT: basically, what i'm saying is they asked for opinoins. Everyone's entitled to theirs. You don't have to like mine, but if you want to be fair and give yours, you should listen to other ones also.

EDIT2: and for what it's worth, I was playing guitar through the Peavy Delta Blues at the time, not the Twin Reverb. Besides which usually the treble on the TwinReverb was set to around 3, not 6 lol
 
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Re: what sounds good in all-maple axes?

Back on topic...

I'll agree that hard maple can be on the bright side compared to alder and mahogany, but to my ears it's no brighter than hard ash can be.

That said, as counter-intuitive as it seems, the JB and the Screamin' Demon work particularly well in maple. I honestly never believed it either until I had a bright maple neck through Mockingbird. For me A5 pickups were far better suited for the maple. True that A5 typically has a stronger top end than A2, but it also typcailly has a stronger bottom end, which does tend to balance the highs better than the stronger mid range would. YMMV, but I didn't believe it either until I heard it first hand. Intuition told me that the CC would have been a wise choice, but truth be told it was my least favorite pickup in that guitar. The best was a Gibson 498T, a pickup that many insist has a harsh top end, yet it turned out to be the best sonic fit of the 6 different pickups I tried in the bridge position.

One final word on the JB and the Demon... both pickups respond exceptionally well to 250K or 300K pots.

If you've only got a single hole for controls, I might suggest pickup up a concentric pot and wiring a tone pot just in case. Any overly bright tones would only be accentuated by certain amplifiers, so keep that in mind, too. Also remember that rolling down the control can attenuate highs, and that certain strings, like stainless steel, are typically very bright.

Nine times out of ten folks instantly blame the body wood or the pickup for the ice-picky high problems without ever investigating other important factors, such as strings, controls, and the biggest factor in the tone equation; the amplifier. Comparisons I can accept, such as "the JB is brighter than the Invader." Over generalizations, such as "the Demon is always too ice-picky in maple" is a sure sign that someone is talking out of the wrong orifice.
 
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One final word on the JB and the Demon... both pickups respond exceptionally well to 250K or 300K pots.

I'll agree with the JB and 250k pots: it sounds good. I think it might even sound better split with 250k than with 500k, but I'd have to try it out sometime.
 
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Hmmm, George Lynch used maple bodies with SD Distortions back in the Dokken days. The newer GL models (maple and alder) all have Demons except for the GL-56 RI which has a Pearly Gates. I'm pretty sure he has a covered PG in his main maple body Kamikaze now too. The PG seems to be his all around favorite right now.

YMMV
 
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Re: what sounds good in all-maple axes?

guys thanks for all your replies. I didn't mean to instigate a scuffle about the maple! :sword: ;)

anyway, I have enough extra cash to order 2 pups, so I think I'm gonna try these out:

TB-12 Screamin' Demon
TB-4 JB
 
Re: what sounds good in all-maple axes?

i tried an invader neck on a alder bodied maple, necked (bolt on for the extra snap), rosewood fingerboard. and i liked it a lot. then i thought what better for invader neck than an invader bridge. that is why i thought invaders would go good in an all maple guitar.
 
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guys thanks for all your replies. I didn't mean to instigate a scuffle about the maple! :sword: ;)

Don't let them get to you, hopefully you were able to decipher some decent answers out of these. You can also get some A2 magnets and ceramic magnets to experiment with.

The Demon with an A2 would "probably" be a hotter version of a Pearly Gates but not as hot as a CC.

The JB with an A2 would "probably" be similar to a Warren DeMartini Custom Shop, I have a slightly overwound JB with an A2 magnet in my all maple guitar (see my avatar).

The JB with an oversized ceramic magnet would be a Distortion (no probably).

I don't think a ceramic would work well in a Demon, but maybe someone has tried it.
 
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Don't let them get to you, hopefully you were able to decipher some decent answers out of these. You can also get some A2 magnets and ceramic magnets to experiment with.

The Demon with an A2 would "probably" be a hotter version of a Pearly Gates but not as hot as a CC.

The JB with an A2 would "probably" be similar to a Warren DeMartini Custom Shop, I have a slightly overwound JB with an A2 magnet in my all maple guitar (see my avatar).

The JB with an oversized ceramic magnet would be a Distortion (no probably).

I don't think a ceramic would work well in a Demon, but maybe someone has tried it.

thanks man

I remember seeing the DeMartini on the Seymour Custom Shop page, but now it's not listed anymore..?

hey what color and type of finish is that on that guitar in your avatar?
 
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It's just an oil based green stain then 100% tung oil (not the Formby's type diluted stuff). It's hard maple so it won't soak up much stain, which made it look cooler to me. Check my Public Profile for a better shot of it.
 
Re: what sounds good in all-maple axes?

maple doesn't necessarily have tight bass (sorry) either.

I've heard and read several wood descriptions from many sites that don't agree like:
1."Alder has strong low mids" and "Alder is more strong in the upper mid range"

2."Brazilian Rosewood is like Indian Rosewood but with more sparkle" and "Brazilian Rosewood sounds like Ebony"

and stuff like that, but everyone seems to agree about the tightness of maple(?).

Too bad I haven't tried it to really say myself..........

Anyway, also don't forget about the amp. I've read people reviews complaining about a proven tight pup or guitar about being flubby while they use a flabby amp.

This is from 1st hand xp. Tried an EMG loaded ESP in a Marshall TSL and the same guitar in an Engl Fireball. The hell of a difference. The Fireball ripped my face or something.....
 
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and stuff like that, but everyone seems to agree about the tightness of maple(?).

"Tightness" is the exact word I would use. My all-maple guitar was a Hamer Californian Elite with a solid flame-maple body, 3-piece maple neck, ebony fretboard, Floyd Rose, and PATB pickups (PATB1 and PASTK) with a 500K volume control. I've a had a few Alder guitars, all of which I thought were brighter than my Californian (and this is with the same PATB1 pickup in the birdge), but the Cali had a certain focus to the notes (strong emphasis on the fundamental) that the Alder guitars didn't. Anyway, I'm not sure a JB would be the best pickup for an all-maple guitar, but I could certainly see the Demon being pretty nice and the JB is such a standard pickup that it will be easy to know where to go from there if you don't like it.

-Austin
 
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