What's so great about fuzz pedals?

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There are no rules for fuzz boxes. There is no single fuzz box that can cover all the bases. It's not possible.

Fuzzes run from warm and hardly noticeable, to tunes like The Jesus and Mary Chain's "Taste the Floor".

 
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fuzz is really noisy

my rat pedal has a fuzz knob to twist that shiz up that I dig, I use it for recordings and stuff

I like my tube growl out of the amp, but a lil fuzz goes a long way
 
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Also Id like to add different fuzzes or for different things stuff like the BOSS FZ-2 (and alot of harsher 60s fuzzes) only really work well playing single notes up on the neck whereas a BIG MUFF I like better for rythmn then lead cos of the mid cut.
 
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Great replies guys! Thanks for educating me.
It's def. one of those 'acquired' tastes in guitar tone. Seems like fuzz is indeed used a lot! I didn't realize it could be used that subtle as well.
I liked how the black crowes and srv used it as a solo boost, very tasteful and most important, not too much!

I like the idea of the rat pedal, which one is that specifically?
The fuzz face seems like a cool addition to my pedal board too but is there something to look out for when using it in the fx chain?
 
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Great replies guys! Thanks for educating me.
It's def. one of those 'acquired' tastes in guitar tone. Seems like fuzz is indeed used a lot! I didn't realize it could be used that subtle as well.
I liked how the black crowes and srv used it as a solo boost, very tasteful and most important, not too much!

I like the idea of the rat pedal, which one is that specifically?
The fuzz face seems like a cool addition to my pedal board too but is there something to look out for when using it in the fx chain?

Well, first things first...a Rat is not a fuzz, it doesn't sound like a fuzz, it doesn't act like a fuzz...it's a distortion pedal.

As for a Fuzz Face they are full of quirks but most fuzzboxes are...

You can't use active pickups with a Fuzz Face you can run a stock traditional wah pedal into them and you can't run them after buffered pedals even if the buffered pedal is off. Also, the FUZZ control on a Fuzz Face is rather useless, the way to get a good sound form one is to run the FUZZ knob on 10 and control the level of fuzz form the guitar using the guitars volume control.

Also, germanium fuzzboxes, and more so Fuzz Faces than any other are tempeture sensitive and will act all crazy if they get too warm or too cool so a clone with a bias control is very helpful, however if the bias control is on teh inside of the pedal you'll have to stop playing, open the pedal up and tweak the bias or the sound will turn to crap and if it gets hot or cold enough it'll just shut down.

Fuzz Faces are also know to lack voluem, part of that has to do with bias issues and getting one that biased correctly or one wiht an adjustible bias will help a lot.

As for silicon Fuzz Faces they are not sensitive to temp issues but they sound very diferent...it's not a bad soundm, not at all just different from the old germanium ones...they have way more gain and more top end and some of them can be a little harsh sounding.

That said the active pickup, wah and buffered pedal rules still apply to silicon Fuzz Faces.

Original 60's Fuzz Faces are hit or miss in terms of tone mostly due to the lack or ransister matching and bias issues and they cost $1000 or more a pop, good ones can go even higher. A high quality clone if your best bet.

MJM makes the London Fuzz both in silicon and germanium, neither are dead stock FF clones but very close and very good. There is also the Oxfuzz which can be had in both Ge and Si versions. You can get the Diaz Sqaure Face which is what Cesar Diaz used to build for SRV...they are also not dead on clones but very close and have a cool sound. Last there is the AnalogMan Sunface which is top of the heap IMO...Mike offers the Sunface with 8 different options for transisters...6 Germanium and 2 silicon and one of the Ge options inclused real mid 60's NKT275' which are what came in all the Arbiter Fuzz Faces from the 60's until the switch to Si trannys. As for good Si versions to add to the Sunface, MJM, and Oxfuzz there is also the new Dunlop Jimi Hendrix Fuzz Face...smokin pedal as well, easy to get and not too much money.

There are loads, and I mean loads of Fuzz Face clones out there today but these are the only ones I would bother with if you want a killer sonding pedal...there are a few more good ones to be had from small builders but you're looking at something north of $350 and IMHO they are not that much better...in fact IMHO the NKT275 Sunfaces are as good as it gets!
 
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On the classic/vintage Rat pedal you have 3 knobs "Distortion" "Filter" and "Volume" If you turn the Distortion up and roll the Filter down (plus also play with the tone knobs on your guitar too) you can get some amazing tones out of a Rat pedal.

I read this:

"The RAT pedal’s filter control is a variable low-pass filter that allows a selective high-frequency cut after the signal has been amplified, equalized and limited by the distortion circuitry, thus allowing the control over the higher-order harmonics that is an absolute necessity in order to obtain a smooth, “fat” lead guitar tone. Your guitar’s tone controls, which cut the high frequencies before they are processed by the RAT pedal, will also reduce the “bite” and attack of your instrument, resulting in a sound that is muddy and lifeless. Our filter circuitry helps preserve the “presence” of your sound while eliminating that tinny “fuzztone buzz” that other distortion pedals produce."

all time workhorse distortion pedal I like is the ProCo RAT II (I have one, its on sale for $60 at musiciansfriend.com right now). It is a distortion pedal. I use it on alot of my songs, all the rhythym guitars on my song "slow motion apocalypse". Its what my sound needs. If you learn how to dial them in with your guitars they can do just about any sound (fuzz or distortion).
 
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Lot's of talk here about fuzz pedals, I never cared for it but you guys make me curious.
Got some youtube vids or clips of what you think is great fuzz?

I'm more a vintage/modern overdrive/distortion kind of guy, most fuzz I've heard is just ugly and messy to my ears but perhaps I'm not hearing what I should hear?

Some are ok, but I've always been of the belief you're better off with a smaller amp, cranking it up and using the guitar volume control to vary between clean and dirty.

But that's just me.
 
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The Dallas Arbiter flies nicely. Good aerodymanics especially if you can spin it well enough. That's all I can say about fuzz pedals.
 
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Well, first things first...a Rat is not a fuzz, it doesn't sound like a fuzz, it doesn't act like a fuzz...it's a distortion pedal.

As for a Fuzz Face they are full of quirks but most fuzzboxes are...

You can't use active pickups with a Fuzz Face you can't run a stock traditional wah pedal into them and you can't run them after buffered pedals even if the buffered pedal is off.

Yeah there's nothing at all "fuzzy" about a RAT! It's like saying a Honda civic is the same thing as an F-150... ummm... no. They're both sources of distortion, that's about it.

Couple disclaimers here... if the wah is pre-fuzz you can still use the wah, you just can't use fuzz & wah together. It'll self-oscillate. Some newer fuzz pedals are buffered and wah-friendly but not fuzz faces & their clones.

Also the 'no buffered pedals in front' rule is something that I've found doesn't always apply. Truth be told sometimes I like having a buffered box in front of the fuzz, which in my case is a one-off FoxRox. It does thin the tone out and make it raspier but I kinda like that! I'm also pretty much a humbucker/P90 player and tend to go for 'darker' amps too... YMMV.
 
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Can concur about Dallas Arbiters flying, mine survived a couple of 410 hits and still played well, actually make the same noise it made before the impromptu skeet practice.
Being young has both advantages and disadvantages-if I knew then what I.....

Not a fuzztone player, just responding to the post.

Fuzztone. Think Hendrix. But in this time there were some other fuzztone players of merit. Here are some examples of early fuzztone.

Blue Cheer - Summertime Blues [did Led Zep use this band as an influence?]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU5uDozoSSM



House of the Rising Sun. Notice the P90’s…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t40INnb6DnY


Ultimate spinach-mind flowers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZtZRmlqQSE&feature=related


Iron Butterfly
songs off their first album
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDoWtqIGUjY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5UP-S9G4bM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUBk9WnclOA&feature=related
 
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Cool vids condemned soul! Mucho thanks for that.

I could swear that if I switch to the neck pickup and turn the gain up and stomp on an od pedal that I can come pretty close in fuzz territory, though it's more like dark wooly hair coming from the speakers :D
 
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I don't know if this has been touched on at all... But, I feel a fuzz has a crazy, out of controll, random, gain spike. ( if that makes sence?) It's like it's so out of controll you have to tame it, which you can.
I listen for those spikes and try to adjust the pedal to a point, where those gain spikes have a rhythm to 'em. It's like you can use a fuzz to get very specific overtones, however big and over bearing they may be.
I hate to qoute a stupid movie like, Days of Thunder, but it's like Tom Cruize/Cole Trickle said. " It's like being in controll of something that is out of controll."

I know, It sounds dumb, but it works for me! lol
 
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the fuzz pedal that Ive had my eye on for awhile is theD*A*M DAM Meathead for HEAVY rock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxxTkZIx8WQ&playnext=1&list=PL4FDAC9B43041197E&index=4
 
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Having had just a day with the Fuzzface I can attest to all that has been said about FFs...I found a sweet spot just a wee bit from full fuzz. Right before all hell breaks loose. The volume is at 10 though. I like the way it sounds with the amp at a decent volume, pretty clean but not clean clean, volume on the guitar at like 9-9.5 and the pedal set to vol. 10/fuzz 9-ish. Believe it or not the difference from having it set to 9 and 10 is a whole world of chaos apart. If I set everything to 10 it just sounds spitty and gnarly. Think the upper echelon of fuzzed out Hendrix, while the way I liked it is more like a controlled Hendrix. I dunno if because mine is an Si Fuzzface but I can't get it to a nice clean with the volume knob. The plain strings do clean up nice but the bass still has too much of that mush that makes the fuzz so characteristic.

I like it. I just need to dig around for a patch cable so I can stack it with my Bluesbreaker and see what's up with that.
 
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I hate to quote a stupid movie like, Days of Thunder, but it's like Tom Cruise/Cole Trickle said. " It's like being in control of something that is out of control."

Never be ashamed to quote Days of Thunder. Any movie that features Nicole Kidman from her big-hair era, and Bobby Duvall, is okay in my book.
 
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Good dog almighty. That Page vid is all you need to know bro, there at :50, stuff gets real...

To me fuzz pedals should be seen as more of an effect. Kind of like TGWIF was saying. Yes, you can use them to get the sound of an overdriven amp, but they can take your tone to extremely new places. I use three gain pedals, two OD's and a Fuzz with a clean tube amp. Sometimes I'll use the fuzz as a boost to my SD-1 to get that insane over-the-top lead sound, and sometimes I'll use it on it's own and boost it with one of the two OD's. Any combo of these pedals gives me endless possibilities. I can sit for hours and just tweak the three pedals and layer them on top of each other.

BTW, I use a Danelectro Cool Cat Fuzz. I've always been pretty happy with it, considering it cost $30. I can not imagine there possibly being a better fuzz pedal in the world that can cost as little.
 
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Great thread going here. Thought I'd add a couple more examples.

First, the "nasty" side of fuzz, apparently not a pedal but a homemade circuit.



and now for the beautiful (and one of my favorite songs), Foxx Tone Machine.






 
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