Where does the 59/custom hybrid gets it's increased mids from ?

[JB6464]

We know one coil is a 42g wind from a stock 59 and the other is a 43g wind from a stock Custom 5 with both having a 6-3-8 EQ off the SD tone chart , scooped mids with an A5 magnet .
But when you put them both together to create the 59/custom hybrid the SD tone chart states it has a 6-8-8 EQ , and you can hear that it does have more mids compered to other stock pickups the coils are taken from .

So I am curious , where does the increased mids come from ?
If the two coils are from mid scooped designed pickups which the 59 and C5 are even though they use different wire , how does the pickup magically increase it's mids to 6-8-8 EQ ?

 

[Mincer]

I don't think that chart is accurate at all. I have a few Hybrids, and they are indeed, scooped.

 

[jeremy]

i agree. i dont hear the hybrid as 6/8/8 , very cool pup though

 

[Juanhanglo]

Both Duncan's and dimarzio's eq "ratings" are not all correct or accurate.

those numbers can't convey the character of the pickup either.

 

[jeremy]

there were/are companies that did an eq rating with low, low mid, mid, high mid, highs. that would be more informative but dont know how accurate that was either. there are so many factors that go into how a pup sounds in your rig, i kinda understand why things are all over the place.

 

[beaubrummels]

IME, a lot of the identifying characteristics of Duncan pickups happen in the frequencies between B, M and T, which don't appear on any chart.

 

[Clint 55]

Hybrid coil mismatch increases the mids somewhat even with 2 scooped coils but the bar chart and bmt numbers saying the mids go full blast is plain old wrong lol.

 

[Hank-]

I would use the chart as a guide to compare with another Duncan pickup installed in my guitar. That way I can expect something when looking at the chart values. For someone that doesn't have a Duncan pickup in hand, that chart might seem odd to relate to.

 

[Aceman]

There is a lot of Alchemy involved. Before I attempt to explain it...have you read Thurmodigum's Treatise on the Metaphics of Lunar Dynamics on Metallic Properties?

 

[freefrog]

We know one coil is a 42g wind from a stock 59 and the other is a 43g wind from a stock Custom 5 with both having a 6-3-8 EQ off the SD tone chart , scooped mids with an A5 magnet .
But when you put them both together to create the 59/custom hybrid the SD tone chart states it has a 6-8-8 EQ , and you can hear that it does have more mids compered to other stock pickups the coils are taken from .

So I am curious , where does the increased mids come from ?
If the two coils are from mid scooped designed pickups which the 59 and C5 are even though they use different wire , how does the pickup magically increase it's mids to 6-8-8 EQ ?

Two coils wound with different wire gauges have different LRC specs. It contributes to a "comb filtering" effect absent with strictly symetrical coils.

 

[Mincer]

I understand the 3-number so-easy-to-understand rating system for pickup EQs, but it is an area that for some pickups, just isn't accurate at all. I don't mind a simple system, but I think those numbers need to be looked at again. It can always be supplemented with a more broad EQ plot that can be overlaid on top of one another to compare different pickups.

 

[ThreeChordWonder]

There is a lot of Alchemy involved. Before I attempt to explain it...have you read Thurmodigum's Treatise on the Metaphics of Lunar Dynamics on Metallic Properties?

I'm still working through Brian May's thesis on radial velocities in the zodiacal dust cloud, thank you.

 

[ThreeChordWonder]

And since all SD's demo recordings sound the same when played through my android phone...

 

[eclecticsynergy]

I would use the chart as a guide to compare with another Duncan pickup installed in my guitar. That way I can expect something when looking at the chart values. For someone that doesn't have a Duncan pickup in hand, that chart might seem odd to relate to.

I think that's a good point. Midrangier than most Duncans can still be considered scooped compared to most DiMarzios.
Mids of the 59/C seem fairly alive to me, at least relative to the 59B. Still, I wouldn't ever describe them as prominent.
Complex mids is the phrase used on its web page I believe. A good descriptor IMO.

Looking forawrd to a black limba Explorer-type build that Orpheo is sending me, pictured over on his amazing giveaway thread.
It has 59/C Hybrids in both bridge and neck positions.

 

[chadd]

I understand the 3-number so-easy-to-understand rating system for pickup EQs, but it is an area that for some pickups, just isn't accurate at all. I don't mind a simple system, but I think those numbers need to be looked at again. It can always be supplemented with a more broad EQ plot that can be overlaid on top of one another to compare different pickups.

Why not some sort of chart like Shure uses in their Microphone User Guides? If the link works, scroll down to the "Typical Frequency Response" chart. Seems simple and should provide a consistent apples to apples comparison within the product line.

https://pubs.shure.com/guide/Super-...R9SF0C*MTYzMDk2NjAyNC4xLjEuMTYzMDk2NjEyOC40Nw..

 

[Masta' C]

Most players would stare at a frequency response graph and scratch their heads.

CaliGuitar uses a chart like this to compare the output (vertical axis) and resonant peak (horizontal axis) of their pickups relative to each other:

Frequency graphs would need to be exaggerated or truncated with higher resolution in a way that could make the subtle differences obvious.

It would be REALLY cool if SD had an interactive frequency modeler where you could choose pickups from drop-down menus to compare and it would graph their responses over each other, sort of like this:

 

[Mincer]

It would be REALLY cool if SD had an interactive frequency modeler where you could choose pickups from drop-down menus to compare and it would graph their responses over each other, sort of like this:

Yeah, that is the idea. But I think generally, you still have to paint with very broad strokes with a 3-number representation for most guitarists. The issue is that they need to be the correct 3 numbers.

 

[Chistopher]

The inherent problem with all these ideas is that our only way to accurately understand a sound is to hear it.

You can't describe a 59/C as having boosted mids or scooped mids in the same way you would describe an amp. Likewise, descriptions change from person to person. What I think of mids may be higher in the spectrum than what you think. What the hell does 6-3-8 or 6-8-8 even mean? Is 6-3-8 the same as 8-5-10? How can a frequency response graph have any meaning if neither the system response of a guitar or the human ear are linear?

Also, what someone describes as "too scoopy" might mean that their guitar is only 90% of the sound they have in their head, wheras when I say it it means that the sound is so bad I am unable to continue playing the instrument system in the current condition.

And that's all I've got to say about that

 

[freefrog]

It would be REALLY cool if SD had an interactive frequency modeler where you could choose pickups from drop-down menus to compare and it would graph their responses over each other [....]

For the record, there's already a dozen of Duncan's pictured like that in the "Guitar Pickup Tone database" shared online by Atlantic Audio.

http://zerocapcable.com/?page_id=400

For any player with "normal" gear, ll is needed is to untick the box named "ZEROCAP cable" and to tick the one corresponding to his own gear (10ft, 15ft or 20ft cable with high or low capacitance)....

 

[ThreeChordWonder]

Gain in decibels and a logarithmic frequency axis. I hope everyone realizes that it takes a 10 decibel (i.e. 1 whole bel) to double the response...