Which new amp, Matchless, Bad Cat, Bogner?

matt99camero

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Ok well I'm thinking going back into road construction this summer for my summer job. It's hard work but it's good money. I'm thinking of getting a nice half stack. I was thinking something from the Marshall JCM series. But, everyone around here plays through Marshall, 5150, or blue vodoo half stacks. I want something different that I never see anybody around here playing. I was thinking maybe a Matchless, Bad Cat, Bogner, or Dr. Z and I've heard good things about all of them. I honestly haven't played one and don't know of anyone around here who even caries them so tell me a little about them. Right now I'm playing mostly classic rock but I'm getting more into playing country stuff like Keith Urban. Keith uses Matchless and Bad Cats and I love his tone. So what ya think about it, which one would fit that stuff best?
 
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Re: Which new amp, Matchless, Bad Cat, Bogner?

Consider that every amp excells at different things, so you've got to take ALL your requirements into consideration. Even though all the amps you mentioned are great amps, they're either one trick ponies or Swiss Army amps. I bought a Matchless, thinking it might be my 'be all end all' amp, but soon realized that it did ONE thing better than any other amp and that's it......clean which breaks into OD nicely in a British tone kinda way. I know it sounds dumb, but it's usually a good idea to get the amp that pro players of your exact style are using. The dream amp I always had in my head was a Twin, Plexi, and gainmonster, all in one head. The Bogner Ecstasy IS that amp. Be real specific about the guitar and tones you're looking for, and maybe I can steer you in the perfect direction. I've split hairs as far as humanly possible on this subject. ha ha ha
 
Re: Which new amp, Matchless, Bad Cat, Bogner?

Ok well as far as guitars go I've got an Ibanez GAX70 with 59n/C-5b, tele with the vintage tele stack bridge and LP Jr. I'm not looking to get into the really high gain territory. Just some nice crunchy overdrive, and I'll probably throw some pedals at it too. I'm not very good at describing tone but along the lines of Urban is what I have in my head. And I know, I know, I don't have that much experience, but I've got a decent guitar setup that I'm happy with for now, and I can afford it this summer so why not. I know I'm never gonna quit playing so it will be a good investment for the future. Just something really nice to help me build my tone on. If I'm gonna work my ass off this summer I might as well get something nice for it.
 
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I'd say some of the Dr. Z heads and 2-12 cabs would be a good choice, like the Prescription, Rt 66, or Z-28. Most are between $1000 and $1500. Or the Bogner Shiva combo, Metropolis EL-84 amp, or Fender Bassman Ltd. One thing to consider is getting a chance to try out some of the good available amps in your area, and then seeking out a real good overdrive. Don't mess with junk, spend the time and money to get something like a Fulltone Fulldrive II, or better. Then, with a great amp, you'll have an overdrive setting that's equal or better than without. If you have nothing else, have a good guitar, excellent pickups, a high quality tube amp, and an amazing sounding overdrive. Those are the 4 things that every player with great tone has.
 
Re: Which new amp, Matchless, Bad Cat, Bogner?

Gearjoneser hit it dead on.

There is no sense in settling with something that isn't inspiring. I recommend playing these different amps before committing to anything. That was a mistake I made.

I've always been told that the Bad Cat Hot Cat is "this" and "that". It can do plexi, it is better sounding than an Ecstasy, people have sold their Shivas for it... blah blah blah. You really don't know what you're getting yourself into unless you hear an amp with your own two ears. I heard an amp that had cleans that resembled a Matchless Chieftain (one of the best clean tones I've ever heard respectfully) and the distortion was an articulate, thin, high gain tone. Not a lot of sustain, not very thick, but articulate.

Onto Bogner. The Shiva is a whole different beast. The cleans are blackface Fenderlike (not at all like the Bad Cat's EL84 structure), and the distortion is compressed, thick, full of sustain. If I hadn't discovered my Fargen, I'd probably have picked up this one.

It all depends on what you're hearing in your head. If you want "chime" and an almost midrange push get a Vox EL84 type amp (like Matchless). If you want an amp that is moderate gain, look for a Shiva or if you want something higher gain, get a Hot Cat. I've never tried the new Hot Cat "R" version though, so maybe that will have cured my problems with it (lack of midrange, different dials for the cleans etc.)

Also, purchase an amp that's based around your intentions for it. If you're playing in the bedroom or small gigs, do not get an amp louder than 50w. I've even contemplated getting an attenuator for my Fargen, even when it's switched down to 15w (while it doesn't seem like it, 15w is LOUD). I typically look for 30w amps or lower because I want to be able to get power tube tone at a decent level. Marshall Super Leads may sound like God when cranked, but the only time you'll EVER be able to do that is to play in an arena with no PA system whatsoever (and trust me, that amp "hurts" at high volumes).
 
Re: Which new amp, Matchless, Bad Cat, Bogner?

A Dr. Z MAZ 18-watt junior would be a great choice. That amp, and it's bigger brother the 38 Senior are the most versatile amps he builds. Great for blues, rock and roots/alt. country-type styles. Think of the amp as a cross between a BF Fender and a Vox AC30. Built like tanks, oversized trannys...big tight sound. The 2x10 combo sounds huge...even at a distance. I'd get a head and run it into whatever suited me. A V30/G12H cab would kill with that amp. I play a '56 Jr. thru my 38-Senior and it's just about as good as it gets to my ears.
 
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I heard a clip of Brad Pasiley doing a demo of his new Dr. Z. I liked how it sounded clean and it had as he said, "just a little bit of hair on it." I'm not looking for anything over 50 watts. I likes my mids, then bass, then treble. I'm not wanting something too chimey, I'm more into nice lows and mids. Your all right that I should play one first but I have never even seen one of these amps in the state of Oklahoma. I wish I could play them cause I know I'll probably go "that's it" when I hear it. I'm gonna have to find someone who has one.
 
Re: Which new amp, Matchless, Bad Cat, Bogner?

If you want a tighter sound that's less chimey, but tighter in the lows, get a 6L6 amp, especially if you use single coils a lot. If you use humbuckers, I'd go for a midpowered EL-34 amp. I'd suggest spending a whole weekend hitting every cool music store in your area that carries highend amps. GC and Sam Ash just have production line amps, and always overprice any decent amps they get in.
 
Re: Which new amp, Matchless, Bad Cat, Bogner?

I've found the amp demos at the following site to be very helpful:

http://www.proguitar.de/

They have good clean and OD clips of both Strats and LPs played through a lot of nice amps, including some on your list. You might also check out the Orange AD series and newer Rocker series for very good quality and tone and a bit better price than some of the others on your list (Dr Z excepted).
 
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