Which speaker for my HRDx?

[astrozombie]

I've been reading different threads and articles online about which speakers work well in the Fender hot rod deluxe. I wanted to put in a celestion Vintage 30 but everyone says they are very middy and the hot rod is middy with the stock Eminence legend 125. I've read here that another Eminence speaker would do it, something like the Cannabis Rex. I've also read online stuff about the Red Fang and the Swamp thing.

I know nothing about Eminence speakers.

The hot rod deluxe is an open back combo amplifier, a tad smaller than a vox ac30.

 

[astrozombie]

Re: Which speaker for my HRDx?

I've kind of narrowed it down in terms of eminence:

I like how the Cannabis rex has a lot of high end definition, but also like how the Swamp thing is designed to handle lots of bass. Here's what I'm thinking though: the hot rod isnt a Mesa Rec. It won't put out chest thumping bass.

I heard the Red Fang audio clips from the eminence website, but thought the speaker was very similar to the Cannabis Rex. Description says something about vintage british tone... but that's not going to happen. It's an american made combo amp with 6L6s...

 

[astrozombie]

Re: Which speaker for my HRDx?

Dumbass question: I can't find the OHM rating for the stock speaker on the speaker itself. However, the cabinet has a sticker on the inside that says that each speaker output is rated at 8 Ohms.

This means I need one 8 Ohm speaker to replace the one in my cabinet right?

it then says

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Parallel Speaker jacks

40watts 4 ohms total

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what does that mean? that when I use both inputs at once the amp is putting out 4 ohms to each output?

 

[drew_half_empty]

Re: Which speaker for my HRDx?

No i wouldn't recommend a v30 unless you think the amp has too much bass and not enough mids, which thankfully you don't.

If I were choosing between the crex and the swamp for that amp i'd probably opt for the c-rex. The swamp is an awesome speaker, tons of lows, but IMO it really needs another speaker to compliment it and fill out some of the highs. I've never tried it in a 1x12 open but in a closed 2x12 I had a hard time getting decent high end definition. The c-rex is fine by itself though, it's still I guess a darker sounding speaker, but it still has awesome high end; the darkness is really just in that it has good bass and kinda smoky mids, great speaker.

Also I wouldn't worry so much about brit vs american for an american amp. A lot of the best tones I've gotten have been out of american amps with brit speakers.

The other ones I could recommend checkin out are weber californias and emi wizards. The cali's are jbl clones & wizards are like 75 watt g12h30's

you need an 8 ohm speaker; the hot rod is designed so that you can run another 8 ohm cab in addition to the stock 8 ohm speaker and still be fine, the transformer has a 4 ohm tap that's activated when something's plugged into the external speaker jack

 

[LtKojak]

Re: Which speaker for my HRDx?

The best speaker for the price for that amp it indeed is the Cannabis Rex.

The best speaker for that amp is the Celestion G12-65.

HTH,

 

[astrozombie]

Re: Which speaker for my HRDx?

The best speaker for the price for that amp it indeed is the Cannabis Rex.

The best speaker for that amp is the Celestion G12-65.

HTH,

this baby right here?

it's $200USD. almost enough for 3 eminence C-Rexs!

 

[Stevo]

Re: Which speaker for my HRDx?

What kind of sound do you want? I had a Hot Rod Deluxe for a while and got some really good Fender tones with a JBL d120f and a Weber F-150 which is like a Jensen C12N. But for rock with more midrange I actually liked the G12T75, the stock Marshall speaker. I don't really like that speaker in a Marshall but I liked it with the open back HRD. You lose some of that Fender chime but the mids are more Marshally (though that amp will never sound like a Marshall). Those speakers are usually inexpensive on Ebay.
I've heard good things about the speakers mentioned above too, but have not tried them in my rigs.

 

[astrozombie]

Re: Which speaker for my HRDx?

What kind of sound do you want? I had a Hot Rod Deluxe for a while and got some really good Fender tones with a JBL d120f and a Weber F-150 which is like a Jensen C12N. But for rock with more midrange I actually liked the G12T75, the stock Marshall speaker. I don't really like that speaker in a Marshall but I liked it with the open back HRD. You lose some of that Fender chime but the mids are more Marshally (though that amp will never sound like a Marshall). Those speakers are usually inexpensive on Ebay.
I've heard good things about the speakers mentioned above too, but have not tried them in my rigs.

I just wish I had more bass, the mids scooped a tad, and an articulate high end. kind of souns like the C rex..

 

[MetalManiac]

Re: Which speaker for my HRDx?

Eminence Texas heat, Eminece Red White and Blues, Jensen P12Q, Eminence legend 35 watt Alnico ( cant remeber the number..Cheaper Jensen Copy).
If you want to get jiggy wit it, the Red fang is cool, but don't kid yourself, even thjough its it an extremely bright speaker. I do have a pair of hempcone Alnicos from Eminence that are American voiced speakers called the Canis Majors, but havent used them. I am not a big fan of Emi Cannibis Rex's or lil buddy Alnicos though- they are just too dark and creamy for a Deluxe or AC30, and never get that sparkly and edgy grumble to them, ala an old JBL K120 or Vintage Jensen.
I don't like G12'65's in a deluxe either. Thats a speaker for El34' Marshall Growl-works best in a marshall 4x12, but also wroks best in a 2x12 JCM open backed combo, but you lose the finer points of the Deluxe with it, IMO.
I have heard people digging the Emi Black Powder speaker- its a cheaper version of the expensive Alnico Black Mtn- another American patriot tone speaker.
I would slam a Emi Texas Heat in it if I were you, and never look back.

 

[James Rock]

Re: Which speaker for my HRDx?

Have a look at WGS they may have a G12-65 clone otherwise there are also Webers and the Eminences mentioned

 

[astrozombie]

Re: Which speaker for my HRDx?

can I put a 30 watt speaker in there no problem?

 

[MetalManiac]

Re: Which speaker for my HRDx?

can I put a 30 watt speaker in there no problem?

Sort of. Cause its mainly clean till it starts busting up. The Deluxe does put out about 22-26 watts , but its clean power, and only starts to bust up later . Its the distorted power that will ruin a speaker in the long run. usually you want about twice the power your amp puts out for your sepaker-just to be safe.
Clean power is less liekly to blow your driver. Once you start adding distrotion of natural overdrive or effect pedal generated, it can get too much. For all intents and purposes, for a deluxe your 30 watt speaker should be okay.

 

[Stef]

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[astrozombie]

Re: Which speaker for my HRDx?

awesome

 

[astrozombie]

Re: Which speaker for my HRDx?

I took a celestion I had removed from a marshall cabinet way back, and put it in the deluxe. I put it together, plugged in, let it warm up and... HOLY ****! i had no idea a speaker could change the sound so much!!! the EQ is so effective now! that dreaded mid invaded tone is gone!!

The speaker I put in now is not as good in quality as the eminence that comes stock. nevertheless, it is much more responsive to the amp's EQ and will stay in for now. this is not the end however, I kind of have my mind set on the C-Rex, just because I asked a few people locally which speaker they thought would work, and they said:

"i think eminence might make what you need".

I knew which one, but asked.

"something like that Cannabis one."

I'm pretty much sold you guys.

edit: after a complication (personal, not technical) i was forced to put the stock speaker back in.

Swapping it out for another made me realize just how important the speaker is. for a minute there, i had gotten rid of the horrible mid honk.

 

[Funkfingers]

Re: Which speaker for my HRDx?

Dumbass question: I can't find the OHM rating for the stock speaker on the speaker itself. However, the cabinet has a sticker on the inside that says that each speaker output is rated at 8 Ohms.

This means I need one 8 Ohm speaker to replace the one in my cabinet right?

it then says

-------
Parallel Speaker jacks

40watts 4 ohms total

----

what does that mean? that when I use both inputs at once the amp is putting out 4 ohms to each output?

RTFM. (Obviously, you may need to download it first.)

Quick precis. The onboard Eminence loudspeaker is rated at 8 Ohms. The external loudspeaker jack is expecting a load of 8 Ohms. If you run both at the same time, the jacks are in parallel. Hence, the combined parallel loading will be 8/(1+1) = 4 Ohms.

SUGGESTION
Is there any way that you can get to test your amplifier through loudspeaker cabinets loaded with the G12-65, Cannabis Rex and so on?

CAUTION
To do this safely, you need to disconnect the onboard speaker, connect to the external test loudspeaker enclosure, then power up as normal. Similarly, before testing another loudspeaker, you need to power down fully before disconnecting the 'speaker cable.

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EDIT: Judging by this thread and your other one about Mullard valves, it appears that you are trying to "Marshall-ise" your Fender HRD. A quicker and less expensive way to achieve this already exists - the Marshall Guv'nor pedal. (Run it into the clean channel of the Fender.)

Officiandos usually prefer the big, black mk1 version. The later, Chinese-made Guv'nor Plus version adds a "Deep" EQ pot. This is handy for dialling in some simulated low end cabinet thump.

 

[drpietrzak]

Re: Which speaker for my HRDx?

I've been reading different threads and articles online about which speakers work well in the Fender hot rod deluxe. I wanted to put in a celestion Vintage 30 but everyone says they are very middy and the hot rod is middy with the stock Eminence legend 125. I've read here that another Eminence speaker would do it, something like the Cannabis Rex. I've also read online stuff about the Red Fang and the Swamp thing.

I know nothing about Eminence speakers.

The hot rod deluxe is an open back combo amplifier, a tad smaller than a vox ac30.

I would try a C-Rex or perhaps Texas Heat. Swamp Thang can work.

 

[Rick330man]

Re: Which speaker for my HRDx?

I thought I might bring this back to life.

I own two Hot Rod Deluxes and have experimented with speakers like crazy. Lots of Celestions have the upper midrange spike in these amps that I can't dial out. I like the G12M-25 Greenback quite a bit, but it is only rated at 25 watts. The Classic Lead 80 is not bad. It handles the amp's boomy bass pretty well, but it misses a little of that Fender chime. The Vintage 30 handles the bass well also, but it completely sucks the Fender chime right out of the amp.

The Reverend Alltone 1250 was great. Unforutanately, it is no longer made.

The Eminence Red Fang alnico is a tight fit, but it is exceotional. It handles the boomy bass and it delivers the beautiful Fender clean chime.

 

[Little Pigbacon]

Re: Which speaker for my HRDx?

Lolololol... I have an Alltone 1250, but I think I’m sold on the Celestion G12-65.

 

[hamerfan]

Re: Which speaker for my HRDx?

I compared my old G12-65 side to side with the WGS Clone called ET-65 and the difference was small. Nevertheless i recommend also to look at the WGS Retro 30, who keeps up the Fender sparkle a tad more than a Celestion clone.