Why are minihums so relatively unpopular?

AniML

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Of all the current production pickup formats, mini hums have got to be the least popular. This includes standard HBs, Strat singles, Tele bridge and neck singles, P90s (soap bar and HB sized) and even Filtertrons (which arguably are an HB variant).

The only place we may occasionally see minis is in an LP Deluxe, Firebird or a Tele neck.

So... Why no love for minis?
 
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Several reasons...most of them stem from when they were fairly new in the late 60's and 70's.

The originals were not potted and not made in a way that would reduce microphonic feedback and many of them squeal.

They are much weaker than even a PAF humbucker plus they lack the midrange growl of a good P-90 but at the same time they are too strong to give the good clean sound of a Strat or Tele.

A good Mini can be a GREAT sound but they can also be a bit of a pain in the back side in most cases.

However new ones are potted (which sort of sucks IMHO) and many higher end versions like from Duncan, Short, Novak, etc are built in a way to reduce microphonics w/o potting.
 
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^ So one of the issues was that they didn't sound like a pickup type that was already popular? What was the design intention? I mean, when you're designing a new guitar, you could always put in P-90's or humbuckers or whatever you want. Any idea what they were going for when they said, "Let's design a new pickup that will do (blank) ."?
 
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They just don't give me the tones I want to hear. Simple as that.

We've all got tones in our heads that we fantasize about getting and that we want to hear. For me, the tone of mini humbuckers is not one of them.
 
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It depends on which Mini humbucker you mean really...

Firebird pickups are often refered to as Mini Humbuckers and while they are humbucking and are mini they are nothing like the Mini Humbuckers you find on Les Paul Deluxes and things.

Firebird pickups are not very popular because for years they only came on Firebirds.

Epi mini's (like what you find on LP Deluxes) are the pickups I am speaking to that have feedback issues as for the tone many players found them weak and bright sounding...for rock playing so they were often replaced with fullsize humbuckers or quite often replace the bridge pickup, leave the neck pickup as the clarity helps in the neck position of many Norlin era Les Pauls which tend to be sort of muddy and dead sounding...
 
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I love mini-hums in bolt neck guitars, even with Maple boards, Alder, Ash, Mahogany. I like them much less in Les Pauls.
 
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I do like Firebird pickups...but only in a real '63 Firebird.

I want a Firebird pretty bad sometimes.

They are odd guitars and have loads of issues but the tone is worth it I think.

Funny thing about them and their pickups is I have heard Firebirds that had the original pickups swapped for P-90's and in one case a set of PAF style pickups...it no longer sounded like a Firebird and I have heard Firebird pickups in lots of different guitars over the years and they don't sound like Firebirds either!
 
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I think it's a matter of fashion (they aren't "hip"), and that is largely a matter of the stigma that is attached to them from being the standard pickup in regular (i.e. non Custom) Les Pauls in the 'late '60's and '70's, when everyone wanted the old style big humbuckers. They're actually some of the best pickups for a Les Paul IMO; they counteract some of the tonal properties I like least about Les Pauls, but without losing the Les Paul flavor completely. Deluxes are probably my third favorite LP model ever, after '54-'56 Customs and gold tops with P90's. And they are good in any guitar. I don't think the sound they produce has a thing to do with why they aren't popular. It has to do with the circumstances of their history, and their almost total lack of use on stock Gibsons since the Deluxe died out, IMO.

When the Les Paul was first reissued, it was due to it's hipness on the rock scene, and because in order to get one, you'd have to search for an >8-year old guitar that was made in small numbers. Of the three models released, the Deluxe was the odd man out, because it was not a "vintage" pickup layout. That is why it was never widely accepted, and why you see so many Customs played by rock-n-roll bands in the '70's; they wanted the full size hummers because they were "vintage." They had the "proper" Les Paul look and sound, not this new, fangled mini humbucker stuff (never mind that they actually sounded great, if not better). Add the fact that Norlin started making some of the worst guitars that Gibson had ever turned out, screwing that period in general in the public eye, and you have a doomed pickup combo, due solely to public perception, not based on them actually sounding bad.

There was good reason behind putting them in Les Pauls in the first place. Les Pauls were originally intended to be jazz and/or country guitars - clean, not too loud, played by highly skilled professional players. But they got latched onto by rock and rollers, at the same time that amps were increasing in loudness, distortion was becoming popular, and you saw utter amateurs making it as pros, bashing on their instruments with little finesse. Gibson looked at the popularity of Fender, and thought that the old style humbuckers were too muddy for this "new" type of music. They said, I'll bet we can sell more Les Pauls to rock and rollers if we put these brighter Epi mini-buckers in. They'll cut better for distorted, loud rock. But they underestimated the influence of fashion and nostalgia – the fact that people just wanted the classic Paul back, for better of for worse, not an "improved" version.
 
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I think it's a matter of fashion (they aren't "hip"), and that is largely a matter of the stigma that is attached to them from being the standard pickup in regular (i.e. non Custom) Les Pauls in the 'late '60's and '70's, when everyone wanted the old style big humbuckers. They're actually some of the best pickups for a Les Paul IMO. And they are good in any guitar. I don't think the sound they produce has a thing to do with why they aren't popular.

Interesting take.

I disagree completely but it is an interesting way to look at it.
 
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I want a Firebird pretty bad sometimes.

They are odd guitars and have loads of issues but the tone is worth it I think.

Funny thing about them and their pickups is I have heard Firebirds that had the original pickups swapped for P-90's and in one case a set of PAF style pickups...it no longer sounded like a Firebird and I have heard Firebird pickups in lots of different guitars over the years and they don't sound like Firebirds either!

Christian, at one time I owned four Firebirds...all at the same time. For a while they were my favorite guitars.

When I was living in Ann Arbor back in the late 60's we found a pawn shop/music store in Indiana that had four brand new Firebirds that had never been sold. I bought them all and they were cheap! Wound up with two single pickup '63 Firebirds, one '63 Firebird III and one '64 Firebird V. My favorite sounding one was the '63 Firebird III. I sold the others. I played that Firebird III as my main guitar until the case fell over one day and the peghead broke. It never was the same guitar after that.
 
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I want a Firebird pretty bad sometimes.

They are odd guitars and have loads of issues but the tone is worth it I think.

Funny thing about them and their pickups is I have heard Firebirds that had the original pickups swapped for P-90's and in one case a set of PAF style pickups...it no longer sounded like a Firebird and I have heard Firebird pickups in lots of different guitars over the years and they don't sound like Firebirds either!

I think that's because of the neck thru construction. There's a huge tonal difference between a neck thru and a set neck or a bolt on.
 
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Christian, at one time I owned four Firebirds...all at the same time. For a while they were my favorite guitars.

When I was living in Ann Arbor back in the late 60's we found a pawn shop/music store in Indiana that had four brand new Firebirds that had never been sold. I bought them all and they were cheap! Wound up with two single pickup '63 Firebirds, one '63 Firebird III and one '64 Firebird V. My favorite sounding one was the '63 Firebird III. I sold the others. I played that Firebird III as my main guitar until the case fell over one day and the peghead broke. It never was the same guitar after that.

Great story with a tragic ending!

I love Firebirds and lust after a single pickup I all the time but they are just hard to find...I'd gladly play a III or V but the very sad truth is that the current production ones from Gibson the past 15+ years are just pretty pitiful guitars...they are a hodge podge of specs and trim, use terrible pickups, junky hardware and are not built with any type of uniformity at all so a reissue is the way to get a good one and those are hard to come by and cost too much!
 
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Firebirds are very thin. Like an SG maybe. And the reverse peghead, thin body, banjo tuners, neck through construction and Firebird pickups combine to make the low E string sound very much like a plucked piano string.

The necks on the '64 model were different than the neck on my '63. The '63 neck was thicker and solid mahogany whereas the neck on '64 was several pieces. The '64 didn't sound as good either.

The multi-piece '64 style neck might have been created to strengthen the neck, because the one piece neck on my '63 did fracture at the peghead when the case fell over on its side one day.
 
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Because they ran contrary to much of the established Gibson sound. There were also problems with microphonics that were exacerbated by loud, bright, non-master volume amps. However a lot of people don't realize how influential they were on many classic tones such as Thin Lizzie, Johnny Winter or early Iron Maiden.
 
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...early Iron Maiden.

As much as I like the pickups, and would love for that to be true, Adrian Smith hacked the bridge pickup rout and installed a Di'Marzio by the time he was recording with Maiden...and the first album was Dennis Stratton, not Adrian Smith. He played a sunburst Custom TMK.
 
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I thought all revese Firebirds were multi lam neck through...no?

Sort of. The neck of my '63, if I remember right, was two pieces of mahogany joined right down the middle and looked like it was one piece.

My '64 Firebirds had a 3/8" or 1/2" stripe of three or five pieces running down the middle of the otherwise two piece mahogany neck.

It's been a long time since I've had a Firebird in my hands...can't remember exactly.
 
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