Why are'nt there more 24.75 scale 24 fret guitars out there?

[aleclee]

Re: Why are'nt there more 24.75 scale 24 fret guitars out there?

Honestly, I suspect for most people, it's a non issue. I don't think I've used fret count on an instrument as a purchasing decision since I was 15. Of course, that was back when there was a strong push towards "more frets is better" and people wanted the most modern-seeming, advanced instrument they could get.

Dunno about that. At this point, I'm more inclined to buy a 22 fret guitar because of the neck pickup location. While I think the "harmonic node" argument is bunk, I do prefer the sound of the neck pickup a little farther from the bridge. That's not to say that I'd pass on a 24 fret guitar but I'd be scrutinizing its neck pickup sounds before plunking down my cash.

 

[King IzzO)))]

Re: Why are'nt there more 24.75 scale 24 fret guitars out there?

Vipers and Eclipses are 24 fret 24.75.

 

[Snoogles]

Re: Why are'nt there more 24.75 scale 24 fret guitars out there?

deleted - already covered by aleclee

 

[King IzzO)))]

Re: Why are'nt there more 24.75 scale 24 fret guitars out there?

I think that crap is nonsense. A lot of guitars don't have the neck pickup mounted at the "24th fret node" or whatever, not just 24's.

 

[St_Genesius]

Re: Why are'nt there more 24.75 scale 24 fret guitars out there?

Me too, but not for that reason. The type of guitars I tend to like just don't tend to be the types of guitars that guys who want 24 frets like. So they don't tend to have 24 frets.

I honestly could not tell you how many frets are on my guitars, though. I'm 99.999999% sure the Les Paul has 22. I'm 90% sure the Jazzmaster has 21. But the Artcore? 21? 20? 19? I couldn't tell you without looking. Upper access on that thing is a btch, so it doesn't really come into play.

Also I suck at going wheedly-wheedly.

Dunno about that. At this point, I'm more inclined to buy a 22 fret guitar because of the neck pickup location.

 

[blueman335]

Re: Why are'nt there more 24.75 scale 24 fret guitars out there?

Because they too believe that either a) they're selling enough already, so why bother or even b) they would sell fewer if they added the frets.

Honestly, I suspect for most people, it's a non issue. I don't think I've used fret count on an instrument as a purchasing decision since I was 15. Of course, that was back when there was a strong push towards "more frets is better" and people wanted the most modern-seeming, advanced instrument they could get. Or, at least, kids did. But that was back when there was some space-age SuperStrat on the cover of every guitar mag, every month. These days, it seems that the market has swung much more towards conservative interpretations of classic designs and mildly funky retro pieces. You'll find a 24.75" scale on a lot of instruments fitting those descriptions, but you won't find many 24-fret necks.

+1. Who's playing anything that high up the neck? Certainly not like it's a necessity. None of the music I listen to requires 24 frets, or 7 strings. There's enough in a 22 fret six string to keep me busy for the rest of my life.

 

[Hoboman]

Re: Why are'nt there more 24.75 scale 24 fret guitars out there?

Dunno about that. At this point, I'm more inclined to buy a 22 fret guitar because of the neck pickup location. While I think the "harmonic node" argument is bunk, I do prefer the sound of the neck pickup a little farther from the bridge. That's not to say that I'd pass on a 24 fret guitar but I'd be scrutinizing its neck pickup sounds before plunking down my cash.

The majority of Gibson SGs have their neck PU in the "Wrong" location.
My personal preference is to have the Neck PU a little closer to the bridge. Keeps it from getting muddy.

 

[Hoboman]

Re: Why are'nt there more 24.75 scale 24 fret guitars out there?

+1. Who's playing anything that high up the neck? Certainly not like it's a necessity. None of the music I listen to requires 24 frets, or 7 strings. There's enough in a 22 fret six string to keep me busy for the rest of my life.

I play that high. I don't do it every song just as I may not play an F# chord every song.
No, it's not necessary, just as 22 frets isn't necessary on older Fenders.
Keith Richards played a 5 sting guitar a lot of the time and some people play seven sting guitars.

I have 22 fret guitars and a 24 fret guitar. I play them both equally as well and I don't think a guitar having 24 or more frets would ever stop me from playing it if I liked the guitar.

 

[tc]

Re: Why are'nt there more 24.75 scale 24 fret guitars out there?

Like someone said before, Ibanez Sabers are traditionally 25.5".

You have the S Classics and SZ, which are 25.1" and the S, SAs and SVs, which are 25.5". The only 24.75" models are the SZRs, that I know of, and you could hardly call them Sabers.

 

[Franknfilms]

Re: Why are'nt there more 24.75 scale 24 fret guitars out there?

My schecter c1+ is 24.75 scale 24 fret, it is a great guitar. The downside is the placement of the neck pickup, it is hard to get a good thick neck tone out of it. I found a good solution though by using a 59 bridge pickup with uoa5 mag.

 

[CTN]

Re: Why are'nt there more 24.75 scale 24 fret guitars out there?

<< My Dean is 24.75", 24 frets.

 

[GuitarStv]

Re: Why are'nt there more 24.75 scale 24 fret guitars out there?

I can just fret notes on a 24 fret 25.5 scale guitar in the upper registers. I would think that there would be trouble fitting my fat fingers into the right spot on a shorter scale guitar.

 

[FretFire]

Re: Why are'nt there more 24.75 scale 24 fret guitars out there?

No one makes money past the 12th fret.

 

[blueman335]

Re: Why are'nt there more 24.75 scale 24 fret guitars out there?

No one makes money past the 12th fret.

:lmao:

 

[DrNewcenstein]

Re: Why are'nt there more 24.75 scale 24 fret guitars out there?

1990-91 Jackson Warrior (USA and Pro)
1990-92 Jackson Fusion (USA and Pro)
Charvel 750XL and Fusion models

However, those are always found used, so it falls well outside the question of "why don't they make them anymore".

But it's something to keep in mind when shopping around used gear.


The Charvel and later Jackson Fusion was an attempt to combine the Strat body style with the LP's darker tonality, hence "Fusion". I think the Nightswan did beat Charvel by a couple of years, though.

At any rate, more than 22 frets has always been viewed as the meedly-meedly model, and self-professed "serious players" have often disdained them and denounced them for the same reason - fat fingers on the higher frets.

Granted it's harder to find the pencil-fingered crackbabies that made them famous in the 80s, but there ya go.

 

[Grenade]

Re: Why are'nt there more 24.75 scale 24 fret guitars out there?

My schecter c1+ is 24.75 scale 24 fret, it is a great guitar. The downside is the placement of the neck pickup, it is hard to get a good thick neck tone out of it. I found a good solution though by using a 59 bridge pickup with uoa5 mag.

I have an 05 C-1+ and I love it. I set my amp for the tone I wanted on the neck pick-up and the adjusted the hieght of the brige pick-up to dial it in. Sounds great and easier to bend.:cool2:

 

[AlexR]

Re: Why are'nt there more 24.75 scale 24 fret guitars out there?

Apart from the physical narrowing of the frets (making it harder to play) I think the main reason is 'Tradition'.

All of the 24 fret guitars (it seems to me) grew out of the EVH superstrat concept (half strat half gibson). They were all based on the 25.5" scale, so the companies trying for a share of that market all produced that scale. After many years of production that idea became a standard, and now it seems almost 'unnatural' to do it with the slightly shorter scale. As guitarists seem to be more rooted to traditional concepts, so this idea of 24 frets only for longer scale guitars is now a standard.

 

[Hoboman]

Re: Why are'nt there more 24.75 scale 24 fret guitars out there?

No one makes money past the 12th fret.

OK.