Why do speakers sound so harsh when you're in front of them?

Satch1222

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I have a G12H30 in a 2x12 closed back that sounds way too bright when I'm in front of it, but it sounds great when I move to the side several feet.

Funny that people say a Vintage 30 is harsh...this G12H30 could make my ears bleed with treble...
 
Re: Why do speakers sound so harsh when you're in front of them?

The treble is kind of shooting straight forward. When you stand off to the side, you can hear the treble, but it isn't pointed directly at your ears. The bass sounds spread out in different directions, especially traveling through solid materials. Yeah, guitar speaker enclosures can be rough on the ears when standing directly in front of them.
 
Re: Why do speakers sound so harsh when you're in front of them?

Guitar speakers are notorious for "beaming". Weber came out with the "beam blocker", but they really had the principle mislay-ed. Jay Mitchell has done amazing research into this phenomenon. His designs work very well and are used by many musicians, at all levels.
Good Luck

http://jay-mitchell.com/dirmod.html
 
Re: Why do speakers sound so harsh when you're in front of them?

Guitar speakers are notorious for "beaming". Weber came out with the "beam blocker", but they really had the principle mislay-ed. Jay Mitchell has done amazing research into this phenomenon. His designs work very well and are used by many musicians, at all levels.
Good Luck

http://jay-mitchell.com/dirmod.html

This is really what I love about this forum. One user asks a specific and technical question, another brother posts with some great information.
This place has really helped me grow my knowledge about guitar gear big time.
 
Re: Why do speakers sound so harsh when you're in front of them?

Guitar speakers are notorious for "beaming". Weber came out with the "beam blocker", but they really had the principle mislay-ed. Jay Mitchell has done amazing research into this phenomenon. His designs work very well and are used by many musicians, at all levels.
Good Luck

http://jay-mitchell.com/dirmod.html


I am so checking this out.
 
Re: Why do speakers sound so harsh when you're in front of them?

I can only play if I'm in front of my amplifier (well, when I'm at home anyway). Anywhere else is almost false. I like to hear what's real so I don't get a false impression. That way you can tell what your tone needs and you'll always have a bichen and rather trademark tone.
 
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Re: Why do speakers sound so harsh when you're in front of them?

Because your ears can't handle that much awesomeness at such close range.
 
Re: Why do speakers sound so harsh when you're in front of them?

because treble frequencies, unlike bass and warm-midrange frequencies, are unidirectional. Duct tape helps with this problem too if you want to go ghetto wit' it.
 
Re: Why do speakers sound so harsh when you're in front of them?

Really ? I actually LOVE the sound of my Vintage 30's or Greenbacks best when I'm right in ffront of them... Gives me lots of clarity, bass, and I can hear my playing better.
 
Re: Why do speakers sound so harsh when you're in front of them?

I agree with Inaver09, I Love that trebly punch .... Its the sound i aim for.

I like my guitar to cut through my bass player and mix nicely.
 
Re: Why do speakers sound so harsh when you're in front of them?

Guitarists always have to deal with club owners and people in the audience complaining about us playing to loud. Usually we are playing to loud!

We put our amp/speakers on the floor of the stage so that the speakers are aimed at the back of our knees, and it sounds fine to us.

But that's with the speakers aimed at the back of our knees.

To the audience in front of the stage that speaker is at ear level (not knee level) and loud as hell.
 
Re: Why do speakers sound so harsh when you're in front of them?

I got so I would often aim my speakers at the drummer. This way it was off axis to the audience and myself. I prefer off axis myself anyway. The drummer really liked this actually, as it helped him hear the guitar better in the mix and he usually found that a problem. It was originally his idea. If its too loud for the drummer then its too loud for sure! But if it's not loud enough for the drummer to hear clearly, it's probably being buryed in the overall mix a bit.

I know of a guitarist that will often start out a gig with his cab turned backward or toward a wall, and then only turn it around after the audience has grown more used to the bands natural volume. This virtually eliminated complaints about him playing too loud at first and then not loud enough after their ears had adjusted.
 
Re: Why do speakers sound so harsh when you're in front of them?

because treble frequencies, unlike bass and warm-midrange frequencies, are unidirectional. Duct tape helps with this problem too if you want to go ghetto wit' it.

Duct tape is also great for achieving southern rock and country tones.
 
Re: Why do speakers sound so harsh when you're in front of them?

I have a G12H30 in a 2x12 closed back that sounds way too bright when I'm in front of it, but it sounds great when I move to the side several feet.

Funny that people say a Vintage 30 is harsh...this G12H30 could make my ears bleed with treble...

If you like the speakers and do not want to change them, you might want to try something like Beam Blockers !

I hear they are real effective.
 
Re: Why do speakers sound so harsh when you're in front of them?

I got so I would often aim my speakers at the drummer. This way it was off axis to the audience and myself. I prefer off axis myself anyway. The drummer really liked this actually, as it helped him hear the guitar better in the mix and he usually found that a problem. It was originally his idea. If its too loud for the drummer then its too loud for sure! But if it's not loud enough for the drummer to hear clearly, it's probably being buryed in the overall mix a bit.

I know of a guitarist that will often start out a gig with his cab turned backward or toward a wall, and then only turn it around after the audience has grown more used to the bands natural volume. This virtually eliminated complaints about him playing too loud at first and then not loud enough after their ears had adjusted.


Dan from the Black Keys plays his amp at a 90 degree angle to the front row a lot !

http://www.flickr.com/photos/beezeebeebee/2533765563/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jberg/2497499442/
 
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