Jacew
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Re: Why does guitar has a volume pot?
What that more would be. I'm just curious to know...
What that more would be. I'm just curious to know...
Why does guitar has a volume pot?
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Rand-O-Monium
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Re: Why does guitar has a volume pot?
Mute,Tremolo effects,even Solo "boost" on occasion...
Sure there's more...
Just lotsa dynamics for me,esp w/teh Classic Rock/Country-ish band...
Mute,Tremolo effects,even Solo "boost" on occasion...
Sure there's more...
Just lotsa dynamics for me,esp w/teh Classic Rock/Country-ish band...
Re: Why does guitar has a volume pot?
Volume is not just volume. Especially with the older more dynamic amps, and the volume and tone pot interaction of older wiring schemes.
If you think volume is only for changing the pickup signal strength, then you have barely begun to know how to use your controls. Back in the day guitar players actually knew how to use the controls.
Maybe you should watch these 2 vids to start to understand what you've been missing.
Volume is not just volume. Especially with the older more dynamic amps, and the volume and tone pot interaction of older wiring schemes.
If you think volume is only for changing the pickup signal strength, then you have barely begun to know how to use your controls. Back in the day guitar players actually knew how to use the controls.
Maybe you should watch these 2 vids to start to understand what you've been missing.
Re: Why does guitar has a volume pot?
Liked that second video. Cool. Almost makes me want another Junior.
Liked that second video. Cool. Almost makes me want another Junior.
Jacew
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Re: Why does guitar has a volume pot?
Maybe you should have read my actual post. It's not that I just bash away volume at 10...
My point was, why guitar should have volume control fixed in it's internal wiring?
I'm asking because:
1) Volume pedal is easier to use.
2) You can use it while playing with both hands.
3) You can use switching pedal to override volume for maximum tone transparency.
4) You'll have less knobs to simplify design, or extra knob to use (ie. you can have one control knob for each strato pickup to use in a way you want.)
5) If you have guitar with volume and tone. You can't use volume pedal without tradeoff in tone.
Maybe you should have read my actual post. It's not that I just bash away volume at 10...
My point was, why guitar should have volume control fixed in it's internal wiring?
I'm asking because:
1) Volume pedal is easier to use.
2) You can use it while playing with both hands.
3) You can use switching pedal to override volume for maximum tone transparency.
4) You'll have less knobs to simplify design, or extra knob to use (ie. you can have one control knob for each strato pickup to use in a way you want.)
5) If you have guitar with volume and tone. You can't use volume pedal without tradeoff in tone.
Rand-O-Monium
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Re: Why does guitar has a volume pot?
Bah.
More for you.
Bah.
More for you.
Re: Why does guitar has a volume pot?
I'm more precise with a knob than a pedal,,,,,and even though I'm mostly a metal guy I still like rolling the volume back just a tad (to like 90-95%) and using a bit more amp gain.
Really it just depends on the guitar/pickup and how it's sounding with the specific amp.
Also I'd rather have the knob or kill-switch at my fingertips rather than at my shoes.
I'm more precise with a knob than a pedal,,,,,and even though I'm mostly a metal guy I still like rolling the volume back just a tad (to like 90-95%) and using a bit more amp gain.
Really it just depends on the guitar/pickup and how it's sounding with the specific amp.
Also I'd rather have the knob or kill-switch at my fingertips rather than at my shoes.
Jacew
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Re: Why does guitar has a volume pot?
Okay. Maybe I'm not being clear enough here. English isn't my native language...
I am trying to make technical discussion about improving guitars circuitry by relying on external volume. Of course people like using guitars onboard volume, because that's how they are always built and how people have learned to use it. It just seems weird I've never come across a single modified guitar with tone and balance circuitry and "outsourced" volume control.
If you have passive volume first in chain, and you use it just like traditional volume pot. Why would you need that volume pot on your guitar?
EDIT: I appreciate your effort with teaching how to use guitars volume. But that wasn't the point of this thread.
Okay. Maybe I'm not being clear enough here. English isn't my native language...
I am trying to make technical discussion about improving guitars circuitry by relying on external volume. Of course people like using guitars onboard volume, because that's how they are always built and how people have learned to use it. It just seems weird I've never come across a single modified guitar with tone and balance circuitry and "outsourced" volume control.
If you have passive volume first in chain, and you use it just like traditional volume pot. Why would you need that volume pot on your guitar?
EDIT: I appreciate your effort with teaching how to use guitars volume. But that wasn't the point of this thread.
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Re: Why does guitar has a volume pot?
I completely understand why there aren't any "off the shelf" guitars without volume pots. But, I think I see what your getting at. I think you are asking if you have to have a volume control in the guitar? The answer would be no. But I'm not sure how a tone only pot would be wired. I assume it could be.
I completely understand why there aren't any "off the shelf" guitars without volume pots. But, I think I see what your getting at. I think you are asking if you have to have a volume control in the guitar? The answer would be no. But I'm not sure how a tone only pot would be wired. I assume it could be.
Jacew
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Re: Why does guitar has a volume pot?
No... I'm not... This is getting a bit tragicomic
I dare to say I have really good understanding of guitars internal wiring, including the resulting issues in signal to signal and signal to ground impedance, that change the tone if you just cut out the volume pot.
In fact, I have completely custom-wired my strat to have three separate tone controls for pickups, plus circuitry for two different tone ranges via push/pull switch, plus balance control for parallel singlecoil pickups. All accessible with traditional stratocaster layout. And I have passive volume pedal instead of that missing master volume knob. It's sounds great and has incredible versatility.
"I completely understand why there aren't any "off the shelf" guitars without volume pots."
So why there seems to be no other mods or off-the-shelf guitars with just "external" volume control?
No... I'm not... This is getting a bit tragicomic
I dare to say I have really good understanding of guitars internal wiring, including the resulting issues in signal to signal and signal to ground impedance, that change the tone if you just cut out the volume pot.
In fact, I have completely custom-wired my strat to have three separate tone controls for pickups, plus circuitry for two different tone ranges via push/pull switch, plus balance control for parallel singlecoil pickups. All accessible with traditional stratocaster layout. And I have passive volume pedal instead of that missing master volume knob. It's sounds great and has incredible versatility.
"I completely understand why there aren't any "off the shelf" guitars without volume pots."
So why there seems to be no other mods or off-the-shelf guitars with just "external" volume control?
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Little Pigbacon
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Re: Why does guitar has a volume pot?
I once saw a custom build where the designer/player wasn't sure if he wanted a volume control on his showy exotic-wood masterpiece. So he wired up the pot and left it in the control cavity.
On every other electric guitar I've ever seen, no sign of hesitation.
I once saw a custom build where the designer/player wasn't sure if he wanted a volume control on his showy exotic-wood masterpiece. So he wired up the pot and left it in the control cavity.
On every other electric guitar I've ever seen, no sign of hesitation.
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HiFiRebel
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Re: Why does guitar has a volume pot?
I like doing stuff with the knob AND the pedal.
I like doing stuff with the knob AND the pedal.
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Little Pigbacon
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Re: Why does guitar has a volume pot?
I've never had a volume pedal, but I'm considering one for the loop of my HRD. (That clearly isn't the same thing as a volume pedal in front of the amp.)
I've never had a volume pedal, but I'm considering one for the loop of my HRD. (That clearly isn't the same thing as a volume pedal in front of the amp.)
Will S-T
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Re: Why does guitar has a volume pot?
Try installing no-load volume and tone pots, both available from Stewmac.
Particularly usefull on a strat. The no-load vol pot at ten takes all the passive circuit out
and the signal goes straight to the output jack. The no-load tone pots at 9 or below give greater
control over individual pickups and their balance when combined. This is what I'm doing
To all my guitars gradually, other than to pots that have switching functions as you can
only modify a switched tone pot to be no-load but not a volume pot and it's a PITA to try
and open up a switched tone pot, which is quite small to do the mod.
As said by some earlier and demonstrated by the vids, the mastery of controlling dynamics
using your controls and playing intensity with non master volume valve amps as in the past,
is the greatest use of expression you have at you fingertips, unfortunately it's a bit of a lost art.
Try installing no-load volume and tone pots, both available from Stewmac.
Particularly usefull on a strat. The no-load vol pot at ten takes all the passive circuit out
and the signal goes straight to the output jack. The no-load tone pots at 9 or below give greater
control over individual pickups and their balance when combined. This is what I'm doing
To all my guitars gradually, other than to pots that have switching functions as you can
only modify a switched tone pot to be no-load but not a volume pot and it's a PITA to try
and open up a switched tone pot, which is quite small to do the mod.
As said by some earlier and demonstrated by the vids, the mastery of controlling dynamics
using your controls and playing intensity with non master volume valve amps as in the past,
is the greatest use of expression you have at you fingertips, unfortunately it's a bit of a lost art.
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HiFiRebel
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Re: Why does guitar has a volume pot?
I run it after the wah and drive pedals but before the reverb. Makes for some cool sounds.
I run it after the wah and drive pedals but before the reverb. Makes for some cool sounds.
beaubrummels
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Re: Why does guitar has a volume pot?
Because it won't sound different and is far less practical, for reasons previously mentioned, like having to stand somewhere near the 'outsourced' volume all the time.
All my guitars has a volume pots, and can haz cheezburgar. Now all you base belong to us.
Because it won't sound different and is far less practical, for reasons previously mentioned, like having to stand somewhere near the 'outsourced' volume all the time.
All my guitars has a volume pots, and can haz cheezburgar. Now all you base belong to us.
Re: Why does guitar has a volume pot?
Is there really a noticed difference between wired raw vs wired volume-only? ,,,,,,,,,,,,or say no-load vs standard volume pot (in a volume-only guitar)?
I've been going toneless on some guitars for years but I honestly don't hear much difference between the same model pups with or without a 500k tone included,,,,,,,,,,,,maybe just a hair clearer but not much IMO. Never tried totally raw or kill-switch only.
Is there really a noticed difference between wired raw vs wired volume-only? ,,,,,,,,,,,,or say no-load vs standard volume pot (in a volume-only guitar)?
I've been going toneless on some guitars for years but I honestly don't hear much difference between the same model pups with or without a 500k tone included,,,,,,,,,,,,maybe just a hair clearer but not much IMO. Never tried totally raw or kill-switch only.
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