Why does'nt SD offer a Antiquity 59 set

[metlking]

Re: Why does'nt SD offer a Antiquity 59 set

Wonder what an A3 would sound like in the neck .

I much prefer the A3 (and UOA5) in a '59n. Solves the boominess/muddiness issues. I was not a fan of the A4, too sterile and Hi-Fi for my tastes. YMMV......

 

[Masta' C]

Re: Why does'nt SD offer a Antiquity 59 set

A4 is clear but can be bland, in my experience. Many guys like it though.

I'm a fan of A3 in the neck, also. Cleans things up, but still has character.

 

[Discharged]

Re: Why does'nt SD offer a Antiquity 59 set

I'm currently using an A3n/A2b-modded, nickel covered '59 set on my ES-339.

I gives me the perfect tone-footprint for the Smooth Jazz project band I play with. Perfect for the Dumble-esque OD provided by a Hermida Zendrive pedal as well

Using Amplitube 4, I've been able to nail Chuck Loeb's iconic clean tone on the neck p'up, although some tweaking is required.

YMMV.

/Peter

 

[GrilledChickenSalad]

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Why does'nt SD offer a Antiquity 59 set

The Co. doesn't listen to anybody without really very deep pockets or stardom status.

:yes11:

For over 3 decades I've been using the 59's in almost every type of guitar and they have always been winners , just the right amount of vintage output and I think they would sound even better if they were aged like the A2 Ants they offer .

Your answer is in post #2.

If you've been using the 59 "for over 3 decades", you should already have what beau is talking about or an equivalent.

 

[JB6464]

Re: Why does'nt SD offer a Antiquity 59 set

:yes11:






Your answer is in post #2.

If you've been using the 59 "for over 3 decades", you should already have what beau is talking about or an equivalent.

And again , what is a 59J set ?
If that means MJ wound them , well I've already been down that road and they still miss something .
My guess is to NOT to pot them and degauss the A5 magnet , but I don't build pickups .

 

[orpheo]

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Tried the A4 , it balanced the pickup EQ wise but it didn't give it any special vibe other than that .
I think some of the mojo is in degaussing and magnet choice .
Wonder what an A3 would sound like in the neck .

A4 would actually, imho, be better in the neck and an a3 better in the bridge, because of what the magnets bring to the tonal table (a4 will flatten the EQ giving you more of a flutey quality to the neck tone and the A3 bumps the midrange giving you a more throaty tone in the bridge).

UOA5 works fine as well.

 

[Mincer]

Re: Why does'nt SD offer a Antiquity 59 set

If you want an aged 59 set built by MJ, you have 2 choices- buy a vintage set, or contact her through the Custom Shop and she will build one for you. That is a long way from 'not available'.

 

[beaubrummels]

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And again , what is a 59J set ?
If that means MJ wound them , well I've already been down that road and they still miss something .
My guess is to NOT to pot them and degauss the A5 magnet , but I don't build pickups .

Sounds like you want a custom set of A5 Antiquities, if I add all the descriptions together. But a better route is to just tell the custom shop what you want them to sound like, what guitar they are going in and what amp you use. Satisfaction guaranteed.

 

[Clint 55]

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I think some custom shop 59s would end up good for what you're after. There are at least 3 things that would contribute to more mojo. Could go with beat up A5s like the beat up A2s in the Ants. Unpotted gives it more openness. Plus the aging they do gives it more mojo and sweetness. Not to mention that they might do something to the wind. Maybe maybe not. I think they would come out well. Anyways, those are the specs I'd go for if I were trying to maximize vintage sounding 59s.

 

[JB6464]

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Ok , before going high dollar CS order , going to try unpotted 59's as soon as I can find an A3 and OAA5 mag to swap in it .
Should get me real close to the vintage 59 vibe , minus degaussing the mags like SD does to the Ants .

 

[Mincer]

Re: Why does'nt SD offer a Antiquity 59 set

So, it isn't that they aren't available (they are) it is that they are a Custom Shop order, and therefore more expensive.

 

[JB6464]

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So, it isn't that they aren't available (they are) it is that they are a Custom Shop order, and therefore more expensive.

I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying in my original post .
What I was getting at is why doesn't SD offer any Antiquity 59's since they are PAF correct as well as A2 PAF's and has been one of SD best selling pickup since they started selling them decades ago .
You can get a Ant Jazz and Ant JB but you can't get an Ant 59 , which is right in the same ballpark ....
Of course you can GET one , but it would be nice not to have to wait weeks to get a special order pickup that's just as popular as the others I mentioned above .
I really believe an 59 Ant would sell just as good as the regular A2 Ants , Jazz Ants and JB Ants because of their popularity .
So that's why I stated " why doesn't SD offer a Antiquity 59 set " .

 

[jeremy]

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i just did a quick search and the antiquity humbuckers and antiquity jb/jazz arent that far off from the cs price of $150 each.

im guessing an unpotted 59 set with uoa5 magnets would get you close to where you wanna be if not nail it. i run an antiquity set with a3 neck/a2 bridge in my lp and it sounds terrific

 

[GrilledChickenSalad]

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I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying in my original post .
What I was getting at is why doesn't SD offer any Antiquity 59's since they are PAF correct as well as A2 PAF's and has been one of SD best selling pickup since they started selling them decades ago .
You can get a Ant Jazz and Ant JB but you can't get an Ant 59 , which is right in the same ballpark ....
Of course you can GET one , but it would be nice not to have to wait weeks to get a special order pickup that's just as popular as the others I mentioned above .
I really believe an 59 Ant would sell just as good as the regular A2 Ants , Jazz Ants and JB Ants because of their popularity .
So that's why I stated " why doesn't SD offer a Antiquity 59 set " .

The Duncan 59 model is NOT a “PAF correct” humbucker.

Sounds like you are having a hard time seeing the forest for the trees.

 

[JB6464]

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The Duncan 59 model is NOT a “PAF correct” humbucker.

Sounds like you are having a hard time seeing the forest for the trees.

Maybe period correct was wrong word I should of used , but what I meant was there was original PAF pickups with A5 mags .
So per SD website , " It’s designed in the spirit of the original P.A.F. humbuckers of the 1950s " .
Maybe your having a hard time seeing all the trees in the forest .

 

[Discharged]

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" It’s designed in the spirit of the original P.A.F. humbuckers of the 1950s "

That's the part you overlooked: Seymour's '59s are NOT a copy or clone; are an INTERPRETATION of the specific set used as base for the design (a '59 'burst owned by Jeff Beck). in reality, in original PAFs' been found A2s and A3s, being the overwhelming majority used A4 magnets. A5s were used in Early Pat# and T-Tops, although you'll find many short A2s in those p'ups as well. So, no A5s were found/used in original, stock, untouched '50s P.A.F.s.

You don't even need to take my word for it, you can read it for yourself here:
https://www.amazon.com/Gibson-P-F-H...e+gibson+P.A.F.&qid=1576669236&s=books&sr=1-1

A MUST read, if you ask me.

Anyway, you could look for a second-hand 25th Ann. Seth Lover set. That's the set wound and built closest to the ones in JB's '59 'burst.

Also, the Co. offering an Antiquity '59 set? Forget it. It's never, ever going to happen. Wanna one, gotta go the CS route or nothing. Like it or not, that's the reality of things as they actually are.

/Peter

 

[orpheo]

Re: Why does'nt SD offer a Antiquity 59 set

Now, that's true. And interesting because it begs the question:

what pickup by SD is a paf copy?

Pearly? no.
Jazz? Hell no.
Seth? no.
59? no.
Saturday Night? no.
Whole lotta humbucker? no.

But: why? What makes them different from a PAF.

 

[Discharged]

Re: Why does'nt SD offer a Antiquity 59 set

what pickup by SD is a paf copy?

None.

/Peter

 

[JB6464]

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None.

/Peter

I get what your saying about the 59 not being 50's correct with an A5 mag , but it still doesn't make sense that SD would offer a Ant Jazz and Ant JB and they are far from anything correct .
I'll bet SD sells a lot more 59's then those two on a regular basis , but you can't get an Ant 59 without waiting for a special order request .

 

[orpheo]

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I get what your saying about the 59 not being 50's correct with an A5 mag , but it still doesn't make sense that SD would offer a Ant Jazz and Ant JB and they are far from anything correct .
I'll bet SD sells a lot more 59's then those two on a regular basis , but you can't get an Ant 59 without waiting for a special order request .

the jb/jazz are legacy pups for Seymour Duncan. The antiquity versions resemble the originals a bit more closely than the newer counterparts.

@discharged: what makes them different? Especially the Seth and 59 confuse me.

butyrate bobbins? Check.
Nickel silver baseplate? Check.
42 awg plain enamel wire? Check.

Leesona winding machine? Check.

Perhaps only the winding pattern? Alnico V instead of III or IV?