Why I'm frustrated with Jackson

kill your scene

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I appreciate Jackson for their quality. Don't get me wrong... their guitars are some of the nicest on the market. But I got a big fat bone to pick with that company.

They adamantly refuse to diversify their product line. It's really insulting to those of us who want Jackson quality but also want to buy a guitar that suits our own needs. Jackson is a company that appears completely close-minded to the demands of current players.

Consider:

1) Jackson has some weird aversion to mahogany guitars. Most metal and hard rock players love mahogany for it's dark, rich tonal character. Although I like Strats for certain applications, when I play metal and hard rock, I want a guitar that has a heavy, Les Paul-style sound. I did some comparison shopping.... out of their entire product line (both foreign and American-made guitars) Jackson offers roughly five to ten mahogany guitars and over 30 non-mahogany models. The mahogany models I mentioned are the ones least promoted by the company.... often hard to find and way overpriced. ESP, on the other hand, offers about 40 mahogany and almost the same number of non-mahogany guitars. The non-mahogany guitars I speak of come in alder, ash, maple and a wide variety of other tone woods. Clearly, it's easier to find the metal guitar you want from ESP.

2) Jackson doesn't produce guitars for the non-trem player. In today's market, Floyd Rose trems have greatly gone out of style and most players (myself included) just want a string-through or stop tailpiece. Jackson doesn't deliver. Again, I did some comparison shopping and found that only 1/3 of Jackson's guitars AREN'T Rose-equipped, whereas 1/3 of ESP's ARE. ESP obviously is doing a better job of keeping up with current players' demands.

3) Jackson doesn't make basses. Every band needs a bass player and, yes, bass players do exist. I want a company that offers many different basses and does a good job advertising and backing them up. Jackson's bass line is a joke. They sell 6 different basses, 4 of which are still produced and widely available. ESP, on the other hand, sells 27 different basses.

I compared ESP to Jackson because they are the two top metal guitar companies and ESP's name seems to come up every time that a Jackson fan wants to spit venom at someone.

I know a lot of Jackson fans will argue "What's a company supposed to do, cater to current market trends?" The answer is no, a company should not cater EXCLUSIVELY to current market trends. They should, however, provide today's guitarists with something we want to use. I'm not talking about the sloppy nu-metal cretins of the world, I'm talking about completely legitimate up and coming metal bands that are technically accomplished and looking for an axe to suit their needs. They probably won't find it at Jackson.

Jackson does stoop.... to the needs of forty-year old 80s hair metal audience. The Jackson fan-base is so vehemently opposed to anything new that they constantly slam ESP's, Ibanez, and any other company who wishes to reach a new group of players. If you don't see what I'm saying, go to the Jackson/Charvel Forums for awhile. You can get crucified for playing an Ibanez. The close-mindedness is unreal.

Again, nothing against the guitars themselves, because they are always high-quality and still good "bang for the buck". I just feel that the company is like a clubhouse that doesn't want any new business. That's a crappy way to run your company.

Diversity rocks and Jackson doesn't have it in their guitars.
 
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:blackeye: I am an Ibanez player! :yell: Not going to that forum :13:

I see what you mean, Jackson doesn't offer too much variation, but I think there's a reason for it. I think their customers keep buying those guitars so they keep making them. I guess the only way to get exactly what you want from Jackson would be to go through the custom shop, which is waaaaaay expensive :saeek:
 
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for the 1st point.. they are mostly made of alder true.. maybe they should offer them more in mahagony.. i'd like to see the KVX10 in mahagony.

2nd.. they released a whole new series with a string through body bridge, plus there's a RR, KV, soloist and dinky with string through body bridges. i dont see why they should offer so many stop tailpieces when almost every guitarist wants to have a tremolo ... almost

3rd i'm not a bassist so i dont have anything to say there


biu, you'll find that jackson is pretty cheap compared to other custom shops.

they have a lot of diversity in shapes, but their wood diversity lacks a bit, true, but they have the best necks you can find on a metal guitar.. and keep those god awfull wizard necks away from me or i'll stick it up your rectum
 
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Davey said:
almost every guitarist wants to have a tremolo ... almost

That's just flat-out wrong. It's not even "ALMOST every" it's more like "a select group".

Anyway, a lot of people are probably reading this thinking "If you like ESP more, just buy them and be quiet." I just want to point out the rampant hypocrisy on the part of Jackson fans who decry every other metal axe. If you hung out at the Jackson/Charvel Forums and saw how they drag ESP, Ibanez and many many other names through the mud, you'd understand what I mean.

I'll give Jackson one more chance to surprise me. The Summer NAMM is coming up and maybe they'll pull through for me. Probably not, though.
 
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well, at winter namm they officially released the new string through body guitars.

about the tremolo thing.. bah i'm too tired to argue
 
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kill your scene said:
Are you talking about the FOUR new Indonesian 200-dollar models?

no, i'm talking about the FOUR new 470$ korean models :laugh2:

i do get your point and i agree with the wood thing, but i dont know why they should change the bridges cos every model is available in a string through body bridge
 
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Heh. I guess 'Jackson' does offer a lot of versatility now...since they're 'Fenders'.

But I do see your point, but esp. with Fender having bought them, they're the 'HM Strat' that Fender has always wanted to have in order to cater to that market, IMHO. I have to be honest and say that if I wanted an axe that was mahogany, or whatever, I'd probably stick to the known quantity (like a Les). But if I wanted a metal axe, Jackson would be on the list.

I don't see them changing anytime soon. I had the same complaints about Fenders when I was routing the bodies for humbuckers in the mid 80's. What's a guy to do?

Farkus
 
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kill your scene said:
3) Jackson doesn't make basses. ...They sell 6 different basses, 4 of which are still produced and widely available.
you are contradicting yourself.


so what if they have floyds? block it if you don't use it!
so what if they don't use mahogany much? not everyone wants mahogany!
so what if they don't have many basses? i thought they were known for their electric guitars, not their basses!




ok, i'm done bitching for tonight :D
 
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Well, Fender itself makes money by slightly changing each type of Strat and charging more money for it, so Jackson is really no different.
 
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WTF are you smoking?

Your wrong on point to. They have a string thru body guitars at just about every price range, look at the site.
 
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I'll amend point two: They don't make VERY MANY guitars for the non-trem player.

I'll amend point three: Jackson doesn't make NEARLY ENOUGH basses.

As for the SLSMG, yeah, it's an awesome guitar. I would love it if they stuck with that type of thinking.... their sales would be through the roof and the market would be filled with new, satisfied Jackson players. They need to stick to that type of axe and they would bring in an entirely new demographic and the satisfaction of the new customers would show up on their sale charts, I'm sure.
 
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WIth the logic behind point one I could go around saying that I´m frustrated with Gibson because they don´t make alder bodies, or very few of them (BTW: Jackson produces a few models in mahogany, the SLSMG , SLS, and SL-2HMAH for example, and I could cite more , historically or current.) But one of the reasons they don´t suddenly "Gibsonize" is ecological, most mahogany species are endangered. And THAT is a step most manufacturers aren´t willing to take. ;)

And I´m pissed at Gibson because they barely make any guitars with a trem as well... :D:D:D:D

Oh, yeah, and I´m frustrated with Warwick because they make mostly basses.

THen you talk about diversity: I recommend you compare the Gibson or Fender Electrics...sure, total there are more models, but how many of them arent a Strat or a Les Paul? ;)

Different strokes for different folks, dude. If you like the SLSMG or an ESP, buy one. But don´t go razzing on one of the most innovative Manufacturers just for the heck of it. Jackson:

1. Was THE first custom shop, the first place where you could order what you WANTED, not what they offered. This was already in the late ´70s, the next similar shop came up about 10 years later.
2. Invented the Superstrat (together with /parallel to EVH)
3. Invented "pointy metalhead guitars" along with BC Rich
4. Was the first company to widely use Floyd Rose and Kahler Locking trems, thereby spreading the disease
5. Was the first company to use hi-quality "aftermarket" parts on production Instruments (Duncans ;))
6. Was the first company to widely make use of Graphics. And they taught others how paint shouild be sprayed in the process, suddenly finishes became smooth...
7. Have contributed multiple models of their own design to the Guitar community as well, not just spinoffs (Star, Warrior, Demon, Death Angel, Surfcaster ...)
8. Before the wholde shebang really started, Charvel was the premier manufacturer of High quality replacement parts, Charvel more or less singlehandedly created the "aftermarket Parts" scene and with it the widespread acceptability of axe Modding and Frankenstrats..

On a side note, you have cited the J/C Forums here and on another thread. Please remember that the J/C Forums are 100% privately run and in NO WAY Affiliated with Jackson/Charvel. If it were, there would surely be a different tone over there, as Jackson could not afford a Lawsuit 2-3x a year. But as long as you say that you were on there, I find it interesting that you didn´t know that....
 
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I think zerb has you knocked out in the tenth round on that one. Jackson is awesome. Jackson/Charvel is my fave.
 
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I use Jackson guitars exclusively. Their custom shop is the best.
It is one of the few places in the world where they will make it exactly as you want it and you can customize it to the smallest detail. If you can dream it, they can build it.
Just compare the ESP and Jackson custom shop forms. Jackson has many more options.
To judge the quality of Jackson you need to have played a custom made Jackson.
My custom shop Jackson cost me $3800 and it was worth every cent. The quality, sound, feel and playability is exceptional.
I have two U.S. made Jacksons now and I am planning on getting more.
Some day I might even check out an ESP.
 
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Davey said:
... almost every guitarist wants to have a tremolo ... almost

I must be the exception. Back in the 80's when I started gigging I had a 73 Black Beauty and got crucified by guys I was playing with, all of whom were playing Charvel, Jackson, Ibanez etc, all with Floyd Rose or Kahlers and all in bright pink, green or striped/camo etc...'What have you got that old piece of **** for? F***ing boat anchor!!! Trade it in on something decent...Get a Charvel/Jackson/Ibanez etc etc...'

I just said back then 'Bull**** - my tone is great, I can play my parts fine - you can take any parts that have to have whammy, if that floats you boat, and I'll keep my Les Paul..' (I was the same about finger tapping too....) ;)

20 years later, I'm still playing Les Pauls and still wouldn't know what to do with a whammy bar if it bit me on the arse!!!
 
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