Why no 'dimarzio' love?

[uOpt]

Re: Why no 'dimarzio' love?

If Gibson or Fender wanted to contest this and TRULY press the matter they could easily. Dimarzio's cash flow vs FMIC or Gibson is teeny.

The pickup division inside Gibson? Or the division deciding on color schemes? I don't think they have the weight inside Gibson (including all the companies Gibson bought) to pick a legal fight over anything. They aren't in a better position than SD, in fact worse.

It's not that this trademark is doing any damage to SD or Gibson. It is doing damage to us, the customers. We can not get the sound we want in the color we want.

And the money that some of you suckers pay to DiMarzio is used to create that situation, going into the hands of the same law firm for IIRC decades. That's why I keep my money in the SD camp.

 

[uOpt]

Re: Why no 'dimarzio' love?

I didn't really have a problem with the clean tones so much as the tone was one-dimensional. It lacked that "3D" complexity I've experienced with a '59, Custom Custom and now my hybrid. Although, I'm going to experiment with A2's and A5's in my Super D and see if it gives the tone more character.

No, that's the hex polepieces. SDs with hex polepieces develop the same characteristic.

 

[IanBallard]

Re: Why no 'dimarzio' love?

No, that's the hex polepieces. SDs with hex polepieces develop the same characteristic.

So, could I get short fillisters that would work with the threads on those bobbins?

 

[Varg]

Re: Why no 'dimarzio' love?

I now have a spare DiMarzio PAF (old one) and I love those pups so much it will stay a spare until I find a use for it. Normally I just sell on my spare pickups, but I know I'll want another PAF at some point - one of the best, if not THE best pickup out there for classic rock.

 

[Archer_of_Fish]

Re: Why no 'dimarzio' love?

It's not fair to compare the whole companies as they are. Gibson and Fender are GUITAR COMPANIES. If you whittle down the profits of Gibson and Fender's retail pickup sales combined, they wouldn't hold a candle to DiMarzio or Duncan I will presume quite confidently (with no numbers to back this up). EVH went to Duncan (and maybe DiMarzio I don't know) for his new Wolfgang pickups BEFORE settling on in-house stuff at Fender. Why? Because his Frankie and Kramer were both powered by Duncan and the reputation is there. Jeff Beck's #1 does NOT have Fender pups in them... they have Fralins (and it's a basswood body, not alder like the "signature model" has).

Let's be realistic about comparisons.

I'm not willing to turn this into an argument but I would contend that my comparison is completely realistic, Fender and Gibson are growth corporations that focus on the music business.

If Gibson decided they wanted to release Les Pauls with double creams then they could easily match Dimarzios legal teams. Gibson is a corporation, the 'pickup division' (which actually doesnt exist....it is a department) falls under the umbrella of Gibson, same with FMIC. They are both far bigger than just guitar companies. Look at the scope of FMIC and Gibson. They are conglomerates.

Jeff Beck's #1 has pickups made by John Suhr and Bill Turner not Fralins. His tech speaks about that guitar in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4EBBPOr2no

 

[Archer_of_Fish]

Re: Why no 'dimarzio' love?

The pickup division inside Gibson? Or the division deciding on color schemes? I don't think they have the weight inside Gibson (including all the companies Gibson bought) to pick a legal fight over anything. They aren't in a better position than SD, in fact worse.

It's not that this trademark is doing any damage to SD or Gibson. It is doing damage to us, the customers. We can not get the sound we want in the color we want.

And the money that some of you suckers pay to DiMarzio is used to create that situation, going into the hands of the same law firm for IIRC decades. That's why I keep my money in the SD camp.

The pickup department doesnt have its own lawyers...it is a section of the Gibson not a separate entity. If you take a Gibson tour (and i have....it was awesome) they show you the departments. Pickups are a department, life sanding, finishing, wiring etc.

There is an entire corporate structure that oversees the company. That is how big conglomerates work. The legal department oversees the rest of the corporation. THey HAVE to work that way to maintain the corporation.

as you mentioned in your post the double cream clearly doesnt mean that much to Gibson or Fender.

 

[uOpt]

Re: Why no 'dimarzio' love?

The pickup department doesnt have its own lawyers...it is a section of the Gibson not a separate entity. If you take a Gibson tour (and i have....it was awesome) they show you the departments. Pickups are a department, life sanding, finishing, wiring etc.

There is an entire corporate structure that oversees the company. That is how big conglomerates work. The legal department oversees the rest of the corporation. THey HAVE to work that way to maintain the corporation.

Errr. I was saying what happens if the pickup of color design department wants to pick a fight. What will the legal department say? Go to hell they will say.

 

[Archer_of_Fish]

Re: Why no 'dimarzio' love?

Errr. I was saying what happens if the pickup of color design department wants to pick a fight. What will the legal department say? Go to hell they will say.

Most likely. That is, of course, providing the potential profits generated by a judgment in their favor would greatly outstrip the cost of the legal action. It is about profit.

Clearly most companies are content to let Dimarzio do their thing.

Am I alone in thinking double cream bobbins are kind of ugly?

 

[uOpt]

Re: Why no 'dimarzio' love?

Am I alone in thinking double cream bobbins are kind of ugly?

No but that makes it hardly surprising that you downplay the issue. What would you do if they had a trademark on chrome covers or whatever style you like?

In any case, Dimarzios antic in this regard spend pickup user's money on law firms to screw other pickup user's choice. I don't think that is that small of a deal.

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: Why no 'dimarzio' love?

Am I alone in thinking double cream bobbins are kind of ugly?

Nope your not. Which is probably why they arent so worried about it

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: Why no 'dimarzio' love?

No but that makes it hardly surprising that you downplay the issue. What would you do if they had a trademark on chrome covers or whatever style you like?

In any case, Dimarzios antic in this regard spend pickup user's money on law firms to screw other pickup user's choice. I don't think that is that small of a deal.

It isnt so much a personal dislike for it as much as compared to the sales of black pickups its relatively small. Why spend the money to fight for something your not going to be able to make your money back on.

 

[Jessie's ghost]

Re: Why no 'dimarzio' love?

Nope your not. Which is probably why they arent so worried about it

I'm pretty sure that's why I don't care.

 

[Archer_of_Fish]

Re: Why no 'dimarzio' love?

No but that makes it hardly surprising that you downplay the issue. What would you do if they had a trademark on chrome covers or whatever style you like?

In any case, Dimarzios antic in this regard spend pickup user's money on law firms to screw other pickup user's choice. I don't think that is that small of a deal.

Don't get me wrong here. I think it is an underhanded thing that Dimarzio has done...but I do think that double creams are ugly.

I think they have a trademark on chromed bobbins....