Will this new magnet change anything?

[zionstrat]

Hot-roll Nano Neo Magnet

I know practically nothing about magnets so this one probably would be useless in pickups.. but just in case, wanted to post and see what you guys can tell me.

Differentiation appears to be pressed to any length (and or depth?)required and insulated with aluminum as part of the manufacturing process.

https://l.smartnews.com/p-BSn5p/Oxlxkm

 

[beaubrummels]

I thought Neo mags were too strong for passive pickup usage?

 

[zionstrat]

I thought Neo mags were too strong for passive pickup usage?

Maybe!

I know people have used little pieces of neos for home builds... I think they were shredding refrigerator magnets?

Assuming what I just said is true, I'm pretty sure I've never read about any greatly successful pickup based on it.

So the question might be, if this can be formed into extremely small strips like tin foil, could you use it less of them or build them up to a given strength or whatever?

Again I know nothing and thanks for the feedback!

 

[Clint 55]

They're extremely strong, might full on latch the strings to the pickup lol. You could try it in the bridge and with a small piece first. Could be useful to make the bridge more powerful.

 

[jeremy]

i have some neo rods but i havent gotten around to using them yet. i did just get a squier strat with plastic bobbins so maybe i can just swap the alnico rods for the neo ones and see how that goes

 

[zionstrat]

Okay, now I will demonstrate big deal stupidity when it comes to magnets and fields and all that stuff that I just assume is fixed in stone

Is possible to degaus a neos, and if they could be disposed, could you get them down very low?

And I have absolutely no idea how this could possibly make sense, but since it's thin tape like tin foil, could you then wrap it around the wire.

Immediately seems stupid to me.. no matter how low you degauss it you're going to have magnet in that pop and I'm not really sure what happens when you wrap a magnet around an individual wire in the coil... I'm assuming we put magnets within the coil and don't wrap them around the wire for excellent reasons..

So about 95% that everything I just said was completely stupid but still have to ask

 

[freefrog]

I'm assuming we put magnets within the coil and don't wrap them around the wire for excellent reasons..

A proper electromagnetic induction requires a magnetized core in the coil. But the magnet itself hasn't to be the core, as illustrated by typical humbuckers. Some lesser known pickups have their magnets next to their coils: see for instance the Gretsch Hilo'Tron's or Supro Vista-tone's...

https://www.premierguitar.com/gear/u...guitar-pickups

And of course, there's the very first magnetic passive pickups for electric guitars, with their U shaped or Horse-shoe mags around the coils and strings.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US2089171A/en

My answer is off-topic because I've simply no experience at all with neo mags for guitars pickups... but experimenters like Mike Sulzer do use tiny neo mags in their passive PU designs, if memory serves me and FWIW.

 

[eclecticsynergy]

It's possible to remove the ceramic bar from cheap Chinese Strat pickups and place a very thin neo dot on the back of each pole slug.
There are how-to vids about this on YouTube. Can't say whether it's actually a big improvement or not.
I suppose something like this could be done with the slugs & screws of a humbucker.

But I think a neo the size of a humbucker bar would be waaay too strong.

 

[zionstrat]

It's possible to remove the ceramic bar from cheap Chinese Strat pickups and place a very thin neo dot on the back of each pole slug.
There are how-to vids about this on YouTube. Can't say whether it's actually a big improvement or not.
I suppose something like this could be done with the slugs & screws of a humbucker.

But I think a neo the size of a humbucker bar would be waaay too strong.

Great idea. I've got tons of cheap Chinese strat pickups all over the house. I'm going to tap out those magnets and try a dot of neo at the end of a slug and see what happens
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Thanks for turning this into a useful thread!

 

[Chistopher]

There won't be a problem with too much string pull on humbuckers that's for sure. I experimented with a 1/2" x 1/2" x 2.5" neo bar magnet in a SD clone and it was fine. Didn't sound too great though.

 

[jeremy]

0.5"x0.5" dang! thats a big pup magnet

 

[eclecticsynergy]

I don't think I could even pull a neo that size off my fridge door. They're mighty strong.
A big neo can break your fingers if you aren't careful.

 

[jeremy]

i have a pair of 3"x1"x0.5" neo bars, they are strong as hell. my wife got em stuck together. it was a bitch to get em apart

 

[idsnowdog]

I thought Neo mags were too strong for passive pickup usage?

I have a couple of passive neo pickups. I have an Entwistle HDN bridge humbucker. I also have a set of XS62N strat pickups. I also have a Dimarzio X2N with a neo magnet.

The Entwistle pickups use the same coils as their other models so it's not like they tailored them to use neo magnets so there are some rough edges. The HDN has a nickel silver baseplate and that pickup will rip your ears off! I put a brass baseplate on it and that rounds off the tone and makes it much more tolerable. The XS62N strat pickups are built like a Dimarzio SDS-1 except with fillister screws and neo magnets. You need to use a tone control with them but you can get some nice thick and syrupy single coil tones. The X2N with a neo is a great bass pickup.

Overall they are very bright, loud and resonant. Since they are much stronger than other magnets you can use smaller magnets to reduce string pull. However, the pickups I have used just changed the type of magnet and not their size. So a pickup needs to be designed around neo magnets for best results because just substituting in neo magnets without resizing leads to a magnet that is more powerful than needed.