Winding My Own, Part 2 -- VOILA!!

Zhangliqun

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Wound a couple more pickups over the weekend and hit paydirt!

BUT BEFORE any details on that, I used the guts (flatwork + mags) of the Fat 50's so they are technically re-winds. Either I'm not good at charging magnets or (more likely) the Stew Mac magnets are just poor quality. No matter what wind I put on the Stew Mac kit, it came out sounding dark and weak, and I had charged those mags with the two neodymium boride mags extensively to where they had the same if not more magnetic pull than the Fat 50's mags (I compared with how hard it was to pull screw driver tip off magnets). These mags make Alnico 2 sound sharp and harsh by comparison -- and they're supposed to be Alnico 5's!

Anyway, these were the 42/43's I said I was going to try late last week. I wound them up to about 5.5k each with #42 wire and the rest of the way with #43.

Why not all #43, you ask? This would make for a more narrow coil at the same spec which would result in less mids and lows. (I had wound a 9.5k coil on the Fat 50's frame earlier with all #43 and there was plenty of room left on the coil for more wire -- and it sounded bright and cold. The bite was there but no sweetness or warmth at all.) Winding it part way with #42 guarantees the coil will be plenty full and therefore wide enough. Filling a coil all the way up with #43 wire would give you a pickup that's way too hot (probably 14-15k) with no chime or air in the tone.

I took another winder's advice and instead of my usual super-scatter "ball of yarn" approach, I wound it neat and tight but "wiggled" the wire during the winding for a slight scatter every 800 to 1,000 turns or so.

Long story short, I ended up with a neck pickup at 9.1k with a tap at 7.7k and a bridge pu at 10.8k with a tap at 7.4k. I put them in my Strat with a push/pull pot to tap both pickups. In tap mode they both have a great "vintage hot" tone -- plenty of air and chime but some real warmth to the mids and lows. Very classic but with just enough heat to give you plenty of attitude if you push it. In full-on mode, the neck pickup sounds very SRV and the bridge pickup is pure humbucker sledgehammer, though both still have a lot more air than you would think, especially after (see below) finally changing the strings.

At first I thought of maybe taking a few turns off the bridge because it was a tiny bit dark (hey, it's almost 11k!) but the strings were WAY overdue to be changed -- so I replaced them. The bridge pu now sounds much clearer with more air so I will probably leave it as is, especially since it very properly smashes the front end of my Maxon Overdrive for some righteous hardcore crunch that seems to bring out the best of that maple fingerboard's upper mids, even on lower gain settings. Some of this chime will go away in the next few days as the strings break in so I'll re-evaluate at that time, but chances are it's staying as is.

For further point of reference, my Strat is strung pretty heavy -- 11.5 through 52 and tuned to E-flat. (Yes, they do make 11.5's...)
 
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Sounds like it went much better this time. Keep this up, and you may have people hounding you for pickups soon. Not that that's a bad thing.
 
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Sounds cool, Zhang. This is encouraging because I was toying with the idea of rewinding the pup I took out of my Squier bridge. Any chance of getting some clips? ;)

Artie
 
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Very cool Zhang! I've played with the idea myself, but it will probably never happen.
 
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Nice, Zhang. How's the noise level of them?

So, who's up for rewinding a couple single coils? LOL. I've got some MIA Fender Stock pickups with very low output that I'd like to either have rewound or some winds added. They have flat poles so I'm thinking about the 7-7.5k range or so.
 
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ArtieToo said:
Sounds cool, Zhang. This is encouraging because I was toying with the idea of rewinding the pup I took out of my Squier bridge. Any chance of getting some clips? ;)

Artie

Unfortunately no chance for clips -- I don't have the technology.
 
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ErikH said:
Nice, Zhang. How's the noise level of them?

So, who's up for rewinding a couple single coils? LOL. I've got some MIA Fender Stock pickups with very low output that I'd like to either have rewound or some winds added. They have flat poles so I'm thinking about the 7-7.5k range or so.

I've never had much of a noise problem with single coils. I think it depends much more on the environment than the pickups, assuming the pickups themselves have any effect on it at all -- after all a non-stack single coil just doesn't buck the hum anyway. My environment at home seems to be pretty free of noise problems, even with the overdrive on -- except if I get close to the TV when it's on. But if I'm wrong about that, I order Doc Barlo to correct me.

So the short answer is no noise problems, at least no more than a Duncan or other pro-made single coil.

I actually would be interested in trying a rewind for you (or anyone else) as practice. I'm still new so I'd do it for free. PM me and we'll work out the details.
 
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Zhangliqun said:
I've never had much of a noise problem with single coils. I think it depends much more on the environment than the pickups, assuming the pickups themselves have any effect on it at all -- after all a non-stack single coil just doesn't buck the hum anyway. My environment at home seems to be pretty free of noise problems, even with the overdrive on -- except if I get close to the TV when it's on. But if I'm wrong about that, I order Doc Barlo to correct me.

So the short answer is no noise problems, at least no more than a Duncan or other pro-made single coil.

I actually would be interested in trying a rewind for you (or anyone else) as practice. I'm still new so I'd do it for free. PM me and we'll work out the details.
Very cool. I've got 2 computer monitors in my office/music room and have had noise problems. Since I've star grounded and shielded a bit better it's to a minimum. The APS-1 in my homemade has a little noise but it doesn't bother me and the tone from it is just wonderful.

I'll PM you later on the rewinds. Thanks.
 
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I'm in a similar boat with you. (Zhang) I can sit in my music room with a humbucker guitar, and have noise problems. Without moving, or changing a setting, plug in my Strat and have no noise. It'll reverse tomorrow. I think it has more to do with voodoo than science.
 
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Lucky me, I don't have noise problems at all at my place, humbucker or not. The tone may sometimes seem to shift with the barometer (external and internal) but never any hum or buzz.
 
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When can we expect the first Zhangbucker? And what is your policy on 10-12k humbuckers, before anyone get started on that!
 
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you can copper sheild around the coils and ground them -- this was already on my trem spaced 59 from duncan production i owned.
 
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Aceman said:
When can we expect the first Zhangbucker? And what is your policy on 10-12k humbuckers, before anyone get started on that!

No policy at all yet. I haven't attempted a humbucker yet but it's next after I master single coils. But when I do, if you want 10-12k, you'll get 10-12k.
 
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Rev Donzo said:
you can copper sheild around the coils and ground them -- this was already on my trem spaced 59 from duncan production i owned.

You mean single coils? I was thinking of spraying conductive paint on the inside of Strat covers and shielding that way. Just trying to think how I would connect the paint to ground in a way that wouldn't scrape against the coil.
 
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What you are doing is soo cool! Indeed, you made me think (really) of doing the same. That's why I've been seriously checking parts and prices at ampge for a while now. When SK returns like mid January I could place an order for parts including wire and all.

Instead of the single coils, I think I am gonna go right for a 10K PAF clone. I could compare it with the brobucker. :banana:

Anyways, what you do is very cool (winding and sharing your experiences with us)! THANKS!!!

B
 
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I just hope Duncan doesn't shut me down if I give away too much about making them. Probably not right now since they're probably snickering at my novice-status right now.

But I'd understand if they did.
 
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