Winter NAMM 2017 highlights - Amps
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stratguy23
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The 5150 III is a mighty amp. I wouldn't feel insecure about it at all. The Triple Crown wouldn't really endanger your III unless you had the EL34 version, and/or if you wanted a clean 3rd channel. They're both awesome. (EDIT TO ADD: I was thinking of the 50W III. The 100W III has 3 channels, but the power section is 6L6, and so isn't a head-to-head competitor to the Triple Crown, unless you swapped 6L6s in for the EL34s in the Triple Crown.)
The Peavey would actually be more of a competitor to your III because evidently the 2 drive channels are taken straight from the block letters 5150. I know people look for old block letter 5150s, so to have a new amp with that built in is super cool.
The Triple Crown is one of those amps that I saw one demo video for and decided to never look at again. It just seems so cool and versatile. I love my EVH 5153 and I'd hate to start feeling like its not up to snuff by comparison, so I'll shut the lid on pretend there's nothing else to look at
Not a Periphery fan by any means, but I AM really curious about that Peavey. Esp since it seems to take more than a few design cues from the 5153.
The 5150 III is a mighty amp. I wouldn't feel insecure about it at all. The Triple Crown wouldn't really endanger your III unless you had the EL34 version, and/or if you wanted a clean 3rd channel. They're both awesome. (EDIT TO ADD: I was thinking of the 50W III. The 100W III has 3 channels, but the power section is 6L6, and so isn't a head-to-head competitor to the Triple Crown, unless you swapped 6L6s in for the EL34s in the Triple Crown.)
The Peavey would actually be more of a competitor to your III because evidently the 2 drive channels are taken straight from the block letters 5150. I know people look for old block letter 5150s, so to have a new amp with that built in is super cool.
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IM4Tone
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I think you missed the fine print on this one. The cost is $950 to place your order, and another $950 when it's done and ready to ship. Being a Wampler pedal fan, I checked it out on his site. To my way of thinking, $1900 is waaaay too much for what you get on this one. JMHO
I think you missed the fine print on this one. The cost is $950 to place your order, and another $950 when it's done and ready to ship. Being a Wampler pedal fan, I checked it out on his site. To my way of thinking, $1900 is waaaay too much for what you get on this one. JMHO
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Very nice write up bro! Thanks for the GAS!!
Questions...
Is it safe to assume the MIG50 is going to be same/similar to the Sovtek?
The PV Invective actually covers the tones of the 5150 block huh??
That little Vox is very intriguing! Also the bigger one! Vox has really stepped out of its same ole same ole over the last few years... My biggest grumble, and perhaps its a small beef, but the always seem to do products that you have to pick a genre.. The little plug in things, these. Probably a small nit pick, but Im all over the place with my playing..
Keep hearing great things about the Friedman Smallbox. They a high gain amp? Marshall like or beyond??
Thanks
Very nice write up bro! Thanks for the GAS!!
Questions...
Is it safe to assume the MIG50 is going to be same/similar to the Sovtek?
The PV Invective actually covers the tones of the 5150 block huh??
That little Vox is very intriguing! Also the bigger one! Vox has really stepped out of its same ole same ole over the last few years... My biggest grumble, and perhaps its a small beef, but the always seem to do products that you have to pick a genre.. The little plug in things, these. Probably a small nit pick, but Im all over the place with my playing..
Keep hearing great things about the Friedman Smallbox. They a high gain amp? Marshall like or beyond??
Thanks
Gone_Shootin
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Well, since the dude that owns EHX also owns New Sensor (the parent company that produces Sovtek, amongst several other tube brands), I'd say it's a safe bet that the MiG 50 is a reissue of the old Sovtek amp.
And pretty much all the Friedman amps are a variation of the modded Marshall flavor. If you want details about it, look up Red_Label's threads about Freidman amps he's has/had. IIRC, he's had his hands on a Smallbox.
Well, since the dude that owns EHX also owns New Sensor (the parent company that produces Sovtek, amongst several other tube brands), I'd say it's a safe bet that the MiG 50 is a reissue of the old Sovtek amp.
And pretty much all the Friedman amps are a variation of the modded Marshall flavor. If you want details about it, look up Red_Label's threads about Freidman amps he's has/had. IIRC, he's had his hands on a Smallbox.
stratguy23
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Wowsers, you're right. I've edited my original post to correct the price.
I get the whole handwired, top-shelf components thing. And I get that the price is generally competitive in the high-end market. But isn't a pedal platform amp supposed to have less stuff inside? You'd think that pedal makers who make amps want the buyers to have money left over for pedals.
Wowsers, you're right. I've edited my original post to correct the price.
I get the whole handwired, top-shelf components thing. And I get that the price is generally competitive in the high-end market. But isn't a pedal platform amp supposed to have less stuff inside? You'd think that pedal makers who make amps want the buyers to have money left over for pedals.
stratguy23
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Glad to share, man. I couldn't keep all that stuff to myself!
Yes, safe to assume that MIG50 is at least similar to the Sovtek, though I don't know about "same".
Yes, I was told that the 2 drive channels of the Invective *are* a 5150 block letters b/c that's Misha's favorite amp.
The Smallbox literature says that channel 1 is plexi and channel 2 is modern high gain.
I tried the Smallbox 50 at NAMM. I didn't go to high gain because I had SO MUCH FUN at low and medium gain levels. It was really easy to dial in something like JTM (darker) on channel 1 and JMP (brighter) on channel 2. Both channels at low and medium gain had a "stringiness" that just invited one to dig into the strings and get the full texture of the signal chain from pick to string to pickup to valves and speaker. It was the first amp I've ever played that made me sound better than I am. I sounded *great*, and I never think that about myself.
Glad to share, man. I couldn't keep all that stuff to myself!
Yes, safe to assume that MIG50 is at least similar to the Sovtek, though I don't know about "same".
Yes, I was told that the 2 drive channels of the Invective *are* a 5150 block letters b/c that's Misha's favorite amp.
The Smallbox literature says that channel 1 is plexi and channel 2 is modern high gain.
I tried the Smallbox 50 at NAMM. I didn't go to high gain because I had SO MUCH FUN at low and medium gain levels. It was really easy to dial in something like JTM (darker) on channel 1 and JMP (brighter) on channel 2. Both channels at low and medium gain had a "stringiness" that just invited one to dig into the strings and get the full texture of the signal chain from pick to string to pickup to valves and speaker. It was the first amp I've ever played that made me sound better than I am. I sounded *great*, and I never think that about myself.
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speed2dirt
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I have the Fryette GP/DI and Power Station. Both are incredible products! The GP/DI can produce an array of tones at low to moderate volumes. The cab section makes the DI super versatile and easy for direct recording. The Headphone output is surprisingly good, which again, the cab section really helps dial it in. A perfect bedroom & recording amp! The Power Station basically adds a 50-watt 6L6 Fryette power section and makes the GP/DI a great live/gigging amp. The Power Station also is a dynamic, neutral sounding attenuator that really helps my other high-powered amps sound good at reasonable volumes.
Disclaimer: The GP/DI on the Deliverance setting through the Power Station sounds incredible, but not identical to the regular Deliverance 60/120.
I have the Fryette GP/DI and Power Station. Both are incredible products! The GP/DI can produce an array of tones at low to moderate volumes. The cab section makes the DI super versatile and easy for direct recording. The Headphone output is surprisingly good, which again, the cab section really helps dial it in. A perfect bedroom & recording amp! The Power Station basically adds a 50-watt 6L6 Fryette power section and makes the GP/DI a great live/gigging amp. The Power Station also is a dynamic, neutral sounding attenuator that really helps my other high-powered amps sound good at reasonable volumes.
Disclaimer: The GP/DI on the Deliverance setting through the Power Station sounds incredible, but not identical to the regular Deliverance 60/120.
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Thanks Bro!! yeah, Ive read all of Red_Label's threads on all the Friedman goodies he's gotten to play with. And Yes, I know they are all Marshall based. I probably should have worded my question differently. Im sure it has a Marshall vibe, but wondered how far beyond Marshall gain it goes. I know the BE has more gain than most stock Marshalls. I think Stratguy answered the question in the below post.
Cool info on the Invective!! And the Friedman sounds great too!! I need ALL the help I can get!!!! Though I think a BE is more my style as I believe it has more gain..
Thanks Bro!! yeah, Ive read all of Red_Label's threads on all the Friedman goodies he's gotten to play with. And Yes, I know they are all Marshall based. I probably should have worded my question differently. Im sure it has a Marshall vibe, but wondered how far beyond Marshall gain it goes. I know the BE has more gain than most stock Marshalls. I think Stratguy answered the question in the below post.
Cool info on the Invective!! And the Friedman sounds great too!! I need ALL the help I can get!!!! Though I think a BE is more my style as I believe it has more gain..
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Oh yeah! I was in and around the SD booth, and really concentrated on guitars in my searches. I really didn't play many amps, although I tried a Supro in the Eastman booth that was wonderful.
Oh yeah! I was in and around the SD booth, and really concentrated on guitars in my searches. I really didn't play many amps, although I tried a Supro in the Eastman booth that was wonderful.
Johnny the Kid
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Fender has revisited these amps in recent years. But the modern player needs something different than the player that these amps were designed for. Modern tube amps have to functional and practical because touring needs have become so stringent. Many tour managers are even requiring the bands and players on tour to use digital preamps for consistent sound quality. Amps have too many different variables when it comes to sound, so amp builders have been forced to add new features that make an amplifier a much more central piece of a rig, as opposed to the older days when bands would use whatever they could rent. If you design your rig based around the Invective's midi features, then you almost need to have that amp head, lest you have to reprogram your rig every time new head is introduced. This makes certain amps a necessity in a rig.
Fender has revisited these amps in recent years. But the modern player needs something different than the player that these amps were designed for. Modern tube amps have to functional and practical because touring needs have become so stringent. Many tour managers are even requiring the bands and players on tour to use digital preamps for consistent sound quality. Amps have too many different variables when it comes to sound, so amp builders have been forced to add new features that make an amplifier a much more central piece of a rig, as opposed to the older days when bands would use whatever they could rent. If you design your rig based around the Invective's midi features, then you almost need to have that amp head, lest you have to reprogram your rig every time new head is introduced. This makes certain amps a necessity in a rig.
Diminished Triad
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Seems like a very tall order to match or improve on those Fenders you mentioned. But if there are one or two you think outdo all the rest what would those be? Always enjoy hearing something better than the former king of the hill. Thanks Jeremy!
Seems like a very tall order to match or improve on those Fenders you mentioned. But if there are one or two you think outdo all the rest what would those be? Always enjoy hearing something better than the former king of the hill. Thanks Jeremy!
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trainwreck, mesa, hiwatt, and dumble are all amps that all that have played they agree are fantastic even if they arent their cup of tea. fender started with the rca tube manual, marshall started with fenders. amps dont need to be complicated to be amazing.
johnny, i would venture that old showman (after a tune up) would be as stable than any new digital amp. if a tour manager is running the gear the band is using then chances are its a band that i have no desire to see. does beyonce's guitar player have to play with what he is told? yes. does anyone tell bruce springsteen what to play? no. does coldplay have to play what they are told? no. madonna's guitar player? maybe. rolling stones? obviously not. if you go see an r&b show then i wouldnt be surprised if they are told they cant use amps since they arent the focus and for the most part might as well be a recording. for a rock band, i doubt there are many instances of a tour manager saying you have to use anything
trainwreck, mesa, hiwatt, and dumble are all amps that all that have played they agree are fantastic even if they arent their cup of tea. fender started with the rca tube manual, marshall started with fenders. amps dont need to be complicated to be amazing.
johnny, i would venture that old showman (after a tune up) would be as stable than any new digital amp. if a tour manager is running the gear the band is using then chances are its a band that i have no desire to see. does beyonce's guitar player have to play with what he is told? yes. does anyone tell bruce springsteen what to play? no. does coldplay have to play what they are told? no. madonna's guitar player? maybe. rolling stones? obviously not. if you go see an r&b show then i wouldnt be surprised if they are told they cant use amps since they arent the focus and for the most part might as well be a recording. for a rock band, i doubt there are many instances of a tour manager saying you have to use anything
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I did make it to the Godin booth! I tried a few of their archtops, which were very nice, except the necks were a little chunky for me this year. The ones I tried last year had necks that were a little smaller, I think. Still, a really nice sound for not a lot of $$. I compared them directly to the Eastmans.
I did make it to the Godin booth! I tried a few of their archtops, which were very nice, except the necks were a little chunky for me this year. The ones I tried last year had necks that were a little smaller, I think. Still, a really nice sound for not a lot of $$. I compared them directly to the Eastmans.
